December 26, 2019, 09:09 AM | #1 |
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Passing thru Colorado?
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In 2 weeks me and the wife are taking a trip from Texas to Utah to go skiing. I was planning on toting a rifle and pistol along with me just in case. We both have Chl’s and I looked at the reciprocity maps and determined that wouldn’t be a problem. But I’m wondering about magazines over 15 rounds in Colorado? Can I pass thru the state with standard capacity mags? Or am I gonna be breaking the law. Anyone have any better info on this subject? |
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As long as you don't sell or gift them in Co. you should be okay.
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Guidance from the Handgunlaw.us web site: http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/colorado.pdf (scroll to page 12 of the PDF)
From the links there: http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/a...zinBan2013.pdf and https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B67h...Z3aWxMS3M/edit
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I would think that once you’re in Colorado under Colorado’s laws that you’d have to abide by their magazine restriction.
I made two back to back trips to Colorado last summer and the summer before and just now realized that I probably could’ve gotten myself in hot water because of the 17 round magazine I had for my full-size PX4 40. I had no idea they had changed the law the very same year I moved away from the state. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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The key point is that he has to abide by Colorado law, so what does the law actually prohibit? Does it prohibit the possession of any magazine with a capacity greater than 15, or is there a grandfather cause? From the responses given, it appears that there is a grandfather clause, which means that the law does not automatically prohibit possession of all 15+ round magazines, across the board. An interesting question is how (or if) the law would apply to a resident of a state that has no magazine restriction who is visiting or passing through Colorado. If the visitor has a 15+ round magazine that was purchased after the July 1, 2013, cutoff date ... is that magazine legal in Colorado or not? The answer would depend on eactly how the law is worded. The person obtained the magazine legally in his/her home state and possesses it legally in his/her home state. If the text cited above is the actual text of the law: Quote:
Do you know when your magazines were purchased?
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The good news in this is the grand father clause. Also he burden of proof is on the State to PROVE the mag was not purchased prior to the date.
That is pretty hard to do, unless your mag has a date stamp, some plastic AR mags do!! Another way would be mags that have mtpl generations of manufacture. Magpul mags have gone thru a number of modifications. Those could be used to “date” the mag. The other good news point is LE in Colorado has gone on record saying they will not actively enforce this law. IIRC the only people to be charged under this law, have been charged with other things and this was an add on charge. Thats not a GREAT plan, but it eases the mind a bit |
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I referenced guns to carry.com, and it doesn’t say anything about a grandfather clause before 2013 so, take that for whatever it’s worth- it just says that after July 13th, magazines over 15 rounds are prohibited. But from viewing the links that you posted, it seems to me that anybody; doesn’t matter if you’re out of state or a Colorado resident that, if you have a large capacity magazine that was made before 2013 then you can have it whether you’re a resident or an out-of-state visitor. Also from the link you posted, I didn’t see anywhere about whether or not if you’re traveling to, or through the state but in this case it doesn’t matter anyway because the OP stated he was traveling to Colorado, not through it. But to answer your question concerning my 17-round magazine that I had with me when I went, I don’t know when it was manufactured but, I bought it new at a store probably several months after I bought the gun back in ‘16 so, I’m pretty sure if I would have gotten caught with it that I coulda had a bad day. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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Well, it never hurts to look at the actual law. It is quoted in the Colorado page on handgunlaw.us, but they also include a link that takes us to Lexis:
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The law also provides that if you claim you legally possessed a large capacity magazine before the cutoff date, the burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove that you didn't. For a visitor from out of state, one has to wonder if a prosecutor would want to go through the effort of trying to somehow prove that you bought THIS magazine on or after July 1, 2013. Still, to a risk-averse person like me, getting a couple of 10-round or 15-round magazines for visits to Colorado seems like cheap insurance. Two magazines will cost a lot less than an hour of a defense attorney's time. Your mileage may vary.
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Exactly. Both times when I went, even though I carried my Beretta in question in my clothes bag for both trips, my EDC that I had on me at the time was still my little legal Ruger LC9S that had 9+1. But even then so, the 17 round magazine was loaded but, it wasn’t in the pistol. It was just in my range bag. But speaking of magazine restrictions, when they say either 10 round or in the case of Colorado with their 15 round limit, are they just talking about the magazine, or what’s loaded into the pistol? I highly doubt I’ll ever have to worry about a 10 round state because to my knowledge, those states that restrict you to ten rounds are states that don’t even have reciprocity with my state anyways but, if I was to make another trip to Colorado, would my 9mm PX4 be legal since it’s magazines are 15 rounders? With one chambered, that’s 16 rounds. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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This is different than the version of the New York "safe act" law that allowed 10rd magazines but limited the number of rounds allowed in them to 8.
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Since that state’s turning into California 2.0, I’m sure those liberals wouldn’t like the idea of a 10-round 12 gauge but all I know is they now have magazine restrictions to 10 rounds. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Since the thread is 6 months old and we haven't heard back from the OP, I guess it went off ok.
Re-reading the OP and the responses, including my own, I did notice something that wasn't addressed, and should have been. Quote:
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Cost of keeping track and keeping current on every single item, where it might be illegal vs. estimated profit from doing business in that state(s). Simply put, it may be cheaper for the company to simply lose (or give up) the business than to try to keep up with the changes in law, and the potential for law suits. IT may simply be the company doesn't want the hassle.
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44 AMP.....thanks for the response and I did indeed contact Adaptive this morning and here is their response regarding the 10 round drum mag restriction to Colorado:
"The law prohibits shotguns that come with a non-tubular, detachable magazine, box, drum, feed strip, or similar device that is capable of accepting more than 8 shotgun shells when combined with a fixed magazine." |
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