Is there any historical basis for this revolver?

rjwolfe691 · June 23, 2011, 11:22 AM

I see them everywhere but I have never found a real life equivalent.
Any insight would be appreciated.
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Piett...h-All+Products

Dino. · June 23, 2011, 11:32 AM

Looks like a "concept" piece to me.
No historical basis that I'm aware of.

steelbird · June 23, 2011, 01:31 PM

There were some confederate-made guns that did use brass, owing to the general shortage of steel in the south, and limited manufacturing capability. But I don't think there were any made like this one.

Tanker6 · June 23, 2011, 01:50 PM

I've researched and asked a similar question here before, so I'll supply the answer. There were no 1851 Navy pistols produced in .44 caliber....only .36. That's proably the biggest ding.

And, as pointed out, there were brass framed pistols produced in the South because of steel supplies, but I doubt that there were any produced in that barrel length. While I'm fairly certain that Colt made some "Sheriff" length barrels (and pocket pistols in .31 caliber), I don't think you'd have had the combination of shorter barrel in brass frame produced in the South during the CW.

Hope this helps.

Hawg · June 23, 2011, 03:44 PM

No 51 Navies in .44, no brass frame .44's, no short barreled 51's that I'm aware of. There may have been some cut off later but I don't think Colt offered the option.

Fingers McGee · June 23, 2011, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rjwolfe691

Any insight would be appreciated.

It is a total Italian fantasy gun. As Hawg said, there were no:

- .44 caliber navies
- .44 caliber brass framed guns
- short barreled '51s

The only brass framed Colt style revolver made in the south was the Griswold and Gunnison and it has a round barrel. Some include the Schneider and Glassick; but it was never put into production or bought by the Confederacy

There is an example of a short barreled, iron framed, round barreled CH Rigdon in .36 caliber; and, you could special order Colts with barrel lengths other than 7 1/2 inches (and I'm not sure if that applied to the C&Bs or just the SAAs); but most examples of short barreled '51s are gunsmith modified models.

But.................. don't let any of this dissuade you from getting one if you like it's looks and feel. I've got a couple steel framed .44 Navy Marshalls models that are fun to shoot.

mykeal · June 23, 2011, 04:21 PM

In a word, No. None. Zilch. Nada. Zip. Zero. Nyet.

Sam Colt was a businessman. He would make any barrel length you wanted to pay for, but his production line produced no 5 1/2" barrel 1851 Navies.

June 23, 2011, 11:22 AM	#1
rjwolfe691 Junior Member Join Date: June 23, 2011 Posts: 8	Is there any historical basis for this revolver? I see them everywhere but I have never found a real life equivalent. Any insight would be appreciated. http://www.cabelas.com/product/Piett...h-All+Products

June 23, 2011, 11:32 AM	#2
Dino. Junior member Join Date: November 2, 2006 Posts: 908	Looks like a "concept" piece to me. No historical basis that I'm aware of.

June 23, 2011, 01:31 PM	#3
steelbird Senior Member Join Date: July 19, 2010 Posts: 180	There were some confederate-made guns that did use brass, owing to the general shortage of steel in the south, and limited manufacturing capability. But I don't think there were any made like this one.

June 23, 2011, 01:50 PM	#4
Tanker6 Senior Member Join Date: October 21, 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 193	I've researched and asked a similar question here before, so I'll supply the answer. There were no 1851 Navy pistols produced in .44 caliber....only .36. That's proably the biggest ding. And, as pointed out, there were brass framed pistols produced in the South because of steel supplies, but I doubt that there were any produced in that barrel length. While I'm fairly certain that Colt made some "Sheriff" length barrels (and pocket pistols in .31 caliber), I don't think you'd have had the combination of shorter barrel in brass frame produced in the South during the CW. Hope this helps.

June 23, 2011, 03:44 PM	#5
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	No 51 Navies in .44, no brass frame .44's, no short barreled 51's that I'm aware of. There may have been some cut off later but I don't think Colt offered the option.

June 23, 2011, 04:21 PM	#7
mykeal Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2006 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 2,772	In a word, No. None. Zilch. Nada. Zip. Zero. Nyet. Sam Colt was a businessman. He would make any barrel length you wanted to pay for, but his production line produced no 5 1/2" barrel 1851 Navies.