IMR4227 for .44mag ?

Nemsis · April 4, 2014, 02:24 PM

As we all know powder is very difficult to come by so I'm trying to consolidate.

I got my hands on some IMR4227 to use for plinking loads in my .300 blk and would love to use it for my .44mag.

Anyone have experience with this powder?

**Unclenick** · April 4, 2014, 02:48 PM

I've never used it myself, but Hodgdon lists plenty of loads on their site. QuickLOAD thinks about 30% is going to be blown out unburned from a 7½" barrel using a 240 grain bullet. More with lighter bullets, less with heavy ones. So it'll make lots of fire and not be very clean.

WESHOOT2 · April 4, 2014, 03:12 PM

It is a popular choice in 44 Magnum.

mnoirot64 · April 4, 2014, 03:13 PM

It's been a very good powder for me in 44 mag. As always, use the manual for a starting point and work up from there, watching for signs of over pressure.

Nemsis · April 4, 2014, 03:19 PM

Yeah for some reason my phone won't let me get on the site to check load data.

Quick load is not making it sound very good

I will be loading for a 7.5" Super Blackhawk if that helps

WESHOOT2 · April 4, 2014, 03:21 PM

Throw QuackLoad out; use published data.

Nemsis · April 4, 2014, 03:23 PM

Mnoirot64 I will definitely work up my own load but what arethe details of yours?

Does this powder like heavy or light bullets, jacketed or lead?

Jim Watson · April 4, 2014, 03:25 PM

My M29 is noticeably more accurate with IMR4227 than 2400. Velocity is lower, though. I never shot anything in full charge magnums but 250 gr Lyman/Keith SWCs.

WESHOOT2 · April 4, 2014, 03:26 PM

It normally prefers heavier (240g and heavier) bullets; material and/or construction doesn't seem to matter.

rclark · April 4, 2014, 03:53 PM

Yes, I have tested from 17.0g (1007fps) to 23.0g (1250fps) under 240g SWC in a 6 1/2" BH. Have not marked any load as an accurate (or inaccurate) load, so must have been just ho-hum

. Wasn't until I hit 21.0g (1139fps) that the SD dropped below 20fps. Use a Magnum primer of course with this powder.

Nemsis · April 4, 2014, 03:58 PM

Thanks for the quick help everyone, I'm going to try and get some more powder after work while it's still on the shelf!

BOOMST1CK · April 4, 2014, 10:42 PM

I load .357 and 44 mag with imr-4227. I like it, meters real well

Nick_C_S · April 4, 2014, 11:08 PM

IMR4227 is a thoroughly recognized go-to propellant for high-end full-house 44 Magnum (& 357 Mag, & 357 Maximum, & others) rounds for decades.

Salmoneye · April 5, 2014, 06:10 AM

I have used 4227 in .44 Mag in the past, and as noted it is a fire breather...Especially in low light full throttle situations...

floydster · April 5, 2014, 08:19 AM

20.1 grs. 4227 pushing a 240 gr. SWC powder coated in my SBHB is a very accurate and fun load, the bore is absolutely spotless after 50 rounds.

Nemsis · April 5, 2014, 11:08 AM

I was able to pick up 2lbs more last night so I should be good for a while

Axelwik · April 6, 2014, 08:52 PM

It seems to be very accurate with all of my 44 Mag guns. Carbine and handgun. It leaves a bit of powder residue after firing, but it's not a problem.

Just used some to fuel my new S&W 69.

It's turning into my go-to for 44 Mag. The 2400 and H110 are gathering dust on the shelf.

mnoirot64 · April 6, 2014, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nemsis

Mnoirot64 I will definitely work up my own load but what arethe details of yours?

Does this powder like heavy or light bullets, jacketed or lead?

I load 23 grains of 4227 over a Winchester large pistol magnum primer. It is topped with a 240 grain Nosler JHP bullet. I believe this gave me around 1250 fps out of my S & W 629. It's a fairly stout load and shoots quite well. I like the fact that it is very clean in this gun.

Sharkbite · April 6, 2014, 09:37 PM

I dont load 44mag, but 4227 is my go to powder for 300blk supers (125gn)

Easier to get consistant ignition then 296/110. Especially in cold (+/- 0) weather

Old Stony · April 7, 2014, 04:57 AM

I used 21 Gr. of IMR 4227 for years shooting IHMSA stuff. It was my best load for a 10 1/2 inch Super Blackhawk using 240 Gr. Hornady. A lot of the guys used heavier loads, but I never had any problem knocking down 200 meter rams with it.

Jeff2131 · April 7, 2014, 11:57 AM

Very accurate with my 500s&w. I love it

sig220mwxxxx · April 7, 2014, 03:24 PM

I use it more than all other powders for my handguns. Currently loading for 357 mag, 44 spec and 45 colt. It is a slower burning powder and therefore less likely to cause a lot of leading. I do get some leading in my 44 special though. There is usually some powder in the barrel after firing. I don't mind this since I am getting good results.

Hunter Customs · April 8, 2014, 08:36 AM

Quote:

I use it more than all other powders for my handguns. Currently loading for 357 mag, 44 spec and 45 colt. It is a slower burning powder and therefore less likely to cause a lot of leading. I do get some leading in my 44 special though. There is usually some powder in the barrel after firing. I don't mind this since I am getting good results.

I've never used it in 44mag, I always used Elmer Keith loads of 2400.

I have used it in some hotter loads for 38 special, it worked great with Hornady lead bullets.

I'm considering trying it in 45 Colt loads.

Best Regards
Bob Hunter
www.huntercustoms.com

Nemsis · April 8, 2014, 11:41 AM

thanks for all the info everyone

Anyone else use IMR 4227 for .300blk ?

I have some 147gr M80 pulled bullets I want to use for super sonic plinkers.

big_ed · April 8, 2014, 09:08 PM

IMR 4227 is an excellent choice in the 44 Rem. Magnum!

My hunting load for 7.5 barrel revolvers is 240 gr. Hornady/XTP
with IMR 4227 (I'm not going to list the charge weight, as it exceeds current manual listings) Probably going to have to work this load up again if I purchase some new powder.

I have found the muzzle blast and recoil to be less with this powder than others while giving near top velocities (confirmed with a chronograph).

I have also used this powder in 22 hornet with good results.

April 4, 2014, 02:24 PM	#1
Nemsis Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2006 Location: Peoples Republic of Chicago Posts: 408	IMR4227 for .44mag ? As we all know powder is very difficult to come by so I'm trying to consolidate. I got my hands on some IMR4227 to use for plinking loads in my .300 blk and would love to use it for my .44mag. Anyone have experience with this powder? __________________ "The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." --Norman Thomas Last edited by Nemsis; April 4, 2014 at 02:26 PM. Reason: spelling

April 4, 2014, 02:48 PM	#2
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,061	I've never used it myself, but Hodgdon lists plenty of loads on their site. QuickLOAD thinks about 30% is going to be blown out unburned from a 7½" barrel using a 240 grain bullet. More with lighter bullets, less with heavy ones. So it'll make lots of fire and not be very clean. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

April 4, 2014, 03:12 PM	#3
WESHOOT2 Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 1999 Location: home on the range; Vermont (Caspian country) Posts: 14,324	It is a popular choice in 44 Magnum. __________________ . "all my ammo is mostly retired factory ammo"

April 4, 2014, 03:19 PM	#5
Nemsis Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2006 Location: Peoples Republic of Chicago Posts: 408	Yeah for some reason my phone won't let me get on the site to check load data. Quick load is not making it sound very good I will be loading for a 7.5" Super Blackhawk if that helps __________________ "The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." --Norman Thomas

April 4, 2014, 03:21 PM	#6
WESHOOT2 Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 1999 Location: home on the range; Vermont (Caspian country) Posts: 14,324	Throw QuackLoad out; use published data. __________________ . "all my ammo is mostly retired factory ammo"

April 4, 2014, 03:13 PM	#4
mnoirot64 Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2013 Location: Clarksville, Tennessee Posts: 365	It's been a very good powder for me in 44 mag. As always, use the manual for a starting point and work up from there, watching for signs of over pressure.

April 4, 2014, 03:23 PM	#7
Nemsis Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2006 Location: Peoples Republic of Chicago Posts: 408	Mnoirot64 I will definitely work up my own load but what arethe details of yours? Does this powder like heavy or light bullets, jacketed or lead? __________________ "The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." --Norman Thomas

April 4, 2014, 03:25 PM	#8
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,535	My M29 is noticeably more accurate with IMR4227 than 2400. Velocity is lower, though. I never shot anything in full charge magnums but 250 gr Lyman/Keith SWCs.

April 4, 2014, 03:26 PM	#9
WESHOOT2 Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 1999 Location: home on the range; Vermont (Caspian country) Posts: 14,324	It normally prefers heavier (240g and heavier) bullets; material and/or construction doesn't seem to matter. __________________ . "all my ammo is mostly retired factory ammo"

April 4, 2014, 03:53 PM	#10
rclark Senior Member Join Date: February 12, 2009 Location: Butte, MT Posts: 2,619	Yes, I have tested from 17.0g (1007fps) to 23.0g (1250fps) under 240g SWC in a 6 1/2" BH. Have not marked any load as an accurate (or inaccurate) load, so must have been just ho-hum . Wasn't until I hit 21.0g (1139fps) that the SD dropped below 20fps. Use a Magnum primer of course with this powder. __________________ A clinger and deplorable, MAGA, and life NRA member. When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Single Action .45 Colt (Sometimes colloquially referred to by its alias as the .45 'Long' Colt or .45LC). Don't leave home without it. That said, the .44Spec is right up their too... but the .45 Colt is still the king.

April 4, 2014, 03:58 PM	#11
Nemsis Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2006 Location: Peoples Republic of Chicago Posts: 408	Thanks for the quick help everyone, I'm going to try and get some more powder after work while it's still on the shelf! __________________ "The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." --Norman Thomas

April 4, 2014, 10:42 PM	#12
BOOMST1CK Senior Member Join Date: January 9, 2014 Posts: 117	I load .357 and 44 mag with imr-4227. I like it, meters real well

April 4, 2014, 11:08 PM	#13
Nick_C_S Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2013 Location: Idaho Posts: 5,522	IMR4227 is a thoroughly recognized go-to propellant for high-end full-house 44 Magnum (& 357 Mag, & 357 Maximum, & others) rounds for decades. __________________ Gun control laws benefit only criminals and politicians - but then, I repeat myself. Life Member, National Rifle Association

April 5, 2014, 06:10 AM	#14
Salmoneye Senior Member Join Date: December 31, 2011 Location: Vermont Posts: 2,076	I have used 4227 in .44 Mag in the past, and as noted it is a fire breather...Especially in low light full throttle situations...

April 5, 2014, 08:19 AM	#15
floydster Senior Member Join Date: May 26, 2008 Posts: 472	20.1 grs. 4227 pushing a 240 gr. SWC powder coated in my SBHB is a very accurate and fun load, the bore is absolutely spotless after 50 rounds.

April 5, 2014, 11:08 AM	#16
Nemsis Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2006 Location: Peoples Republic of Chicago Posts: 408	I was able to pick up 2lbs more last night so I should be good for a while __________________ "The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." --Norman Thomas

April 6, 2014, 08:52 PM	#17
Axelwik Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2012 Location: Land of Enchantment Posts: 436	It seems to be very accurate with all of my 44 Mag guns. Carbine and handgun. It leaves a bit of powder residue after firing, but it's not a problem. Just used some to fuel my new S&W 69. It's turning into my go-to for 44 Mag. The 2400 and H110 are gathering dust on the shelf. Last edited by Axelwik; April 6, 2014 at 08:59 PM.

April 6, 2014, 09:37 PM	#19
Sharkbite Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 2013 Location: Western slope of Colorado Posts: 3,679	I dont load 44mag, but 4227 is my go to powder for 300blk supers (125gn) Easier to get consistant ignition then 296/110. Especially in cold (+/- 0) weather

April 7, 2014, 04:57 AM	#20
Old Stony Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2013 Location: East Texas Posts: 1,705	I used 21 Gr. of IMR 4227 for years shooting IHMSA stuff. It was my best load for a 10 1/2 inch Super Blackhawk using 240 Gr. Hornady. A lot of the guys used heavier loads, but I never had any problem knocking down 200 meter rams with it.

April 7, 2014, 11:57 AM	#21
Jeff2131 Senior Member Join Date: November 30, 2012 Location: Spring City, PA Posts: 497	Very accurate with my 500s&w. I love it __________________ ---I DON'T DIAL 911---

April 7, 2014, 03:24 PM	#22
sig220mwxxxx Senior Member Join Date: April 16, 2011 Location: Marshall, Texas Posts: 104	I use it more than all other powders for my handguns. Currently loading for 357 mag, 44 spec and 45 colt. It is a slower burning powder and therefore less likely to cause a lot of leading. I do get some leading in my 44 special though. There is usually some powder in the barrel after firing. I don't mind this since I am getting good results.

April 8, 2014, 11:41 AM	#24
Nemsis Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2006 Location: Peoples Republic of Chicago Posts: 408	thanks for all the info everyone Anyone else use IMR 4227 for .300blk ? I have some 147gr M80 pulled bullets I want to use for super sonic plinkers. __________________ "The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." --Norman Thomas

April 8, 2014, 09:08 PM	#25
big_ed Member Join Date: February 19, 2008 Posts: 34	IMR 4227 is an excellent choice in the 44 Rem. Magnum! My hunting load for 7.5 barrel revolvers is 240 gr. Hornady/XTP with IMR 4227 (I'm not going to list the charge weight, as it exceeds current manual listings) Probably going to have to work this load up again if I purchase some new powder. I have found the muzzle blast and recoil to be less with this powder than others while giving near top velocities (confirmed with a chronograph). I have also used this powder in 22 hornet with good results.