Brady Gun Control State Rankings Are Out

Kreyzhorse · February 19, 2010, 10:20 AM

The annual Brady Campaign state rankings on gun control are out and I thought I’d post the link.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/stategunlaws/scorecard

I’m always interested to see where my state, Kentucky falls. Last year we were tied for 50th but this year we’ve moved up to a tie for 49th. Utah took the top spot this year at number 50 with zero Brady points.

I found a few surprises in their rating criteria. Besides the normal high capacity mag bans, one handgun a month limits and micro stamping; the Brady group wants a three day waiting period in addition to the background check and ammo purchases should require a permit to buy or a background check at point of sale.

California of course came in 1st in Brady’s rankings with a possible 79 out of 100 points. I’d love to see the Brady group actually list where their states rank in crime rate when they publish these lists. It appears though that California with their number 1 ranking actually has the 14th highest violent crime rate in the US.

Kentucky, tied for 49th according to Brady is the 40th most violent state. Now my stats are from the 2006 Census Bureau, but none the less it is interesting to see the how the Brady ratings compare to real world crime.

http://www.census.gov/statab/ranks/rank21.html

DC, with it's tough gun laws is of course not ranked.

When they make the talk show rounds with this list, I'd love to see someone actually ask how their gun control rankings actually compare to violent crime rates in those states. I'd also love to see them get nailed on why DC isn't listed. I'll guess they'll get a pass on those questions though.

**Mike Irwin** · February 19, 2010, 10:29 AM

I had hoped they would hold off a bit longer for Virginia to scrap its one handgun a month and to pass the restaurant ban repeal for CCW holders.

Oh well, we'll shed some points in next year's poll.

And are you really surprised that Brady wants a waiting period in addition to the restrictions imposed by the Brady law?

A lot of states get around that waiting period by having the instant check system (including Virgina) and that ticks them off to no end.

DAMMIT! 17 out of 100! We have GOT to start shedding some points.

WOW! Utah has ZERO points! I'm converting to Mormon and moving west!

svaz · February 19, 2010, 10:31 AM

AZ gets 2 points out of 100. We have a VT-like CCW bill in the Senate now. If we can get that passed, maybe we can knock off those two points and go for a PERFECT score!

TheBigO · February 19, 2010, 10:45 AM

I feel bad for California. Also I think alot of their information is misleading-
Under Permit to Purchase it says that there is no involvement by the law enforcement. What is it when they call in and get you checked with the government? Also what is a Child Proof Handgun- any child can figure something out if given the time. The only child proof hand gun is a child that has been taught gun safety!

Kreyzhorse · February 19, 2010, 10:49 AM

The Big O, I noticed the same thing listed under Kentucky under the CCW heading. The Kentucky State Police actually process all CCW requests yet the Brady Campaign states the police are not involved in the process.

Either they did very poor research or they want to give the police the power to restrict who buys gun and or ammo.

AirForceShooter · February 19, 2010, 10:50 AM

Florida 6 points out of a possible 100.

We really have to work on that.

AFS

NJgunowner · February 19, 2010, 10:51 AM

Figures NJ would be a close 2nd in the number 2 spot... Stupid state.

**Mike Irwin** · February 19, 2010, 10:53 AM

"Either they did very poor research..."

No, I have no doubt that it's simply another lie.

Not unlike their fear mongering "Blood running in the streets" lies that they trot out every time a state wants to pass CCW laws.

noyes · February 19, 2010, 10:54 AM

Brady Campaign

Ridiculous people that try to enforce rules on others.

Brady Campaign you are NOT my mommy & daddy.

These type of people make me SICK.

Sorry had to get that out. In as nice a way as I could.

green-grizzly · February 19, 2010, 10:58 AM

Utah got zero points, the first time any state has received that score. Several states got 2 points (AK, AL, AZ, ID, KY, LA, OK) mostly becuase they don't force colleges to allow guns on campus like Utah does.

Looking at Kreyzhorse's census link, Utah is ranked 45th in terms of violent crime.

svaz, I don't think Brady scores having no license CCW, so AZ will still have a score of 2 until they get guns on campus. I know there was such a bill proposed a year or two ago; did it get tabled?

DRice.72 · February 19, 2010, 11:04 AM

Quote from article:

Quote:

“Since North Carolina does not require Brady criminal background checks on all
firearm sales, including those at gun shows, gun traffickers don’t need to leave the state
to funnel illegal guns to felons and gang members,”

I wasn't aware that this is where most gang members bought their guns.

dabigguns357 · February 19, 2010, 11:04 AM

West Virginia only had 4 points wow i would have figured more but i can see we are going to have to work hard to shed our points to.

Kreyzhorse · February 19, 2010, 11:43 AM

Quote:

No, I have no doubt that it's simply another lie.

You are right on that one Mike, they certainly aren't a bunch who lets the truth get in the way of trying to create terror for the masses.

Chipperman · February 19, 2010, 11:53 AM

NH got 9 points, but they did not give a ranking.

Ranked 47/50 for violent crime.

MA, where I used to live, is ranked 3rd for gun laws and 20th for violent crime. :barf:

svaz · February 19, 2010, 12:13 PM

Green-Grizley - I don't think that law came to vote.

So much to do, so many come-to-roost socialist snow-birds getting in the way.

For non-socialist snow-birds, welcome.

HarrySchell · February 19, 2010, 12:14 PM

CA got 9 points and has one of the highest murder rates per 100K of population. High Brady rankings and high murder/violent crime rates go together. As in the UK.

Er, these people are against violence?

**Mike Irwin** · February 19, 2010, 12:21 PM

"Er, these people are against violence?"

Of course not! How silly of you.

They're against GUNS.

They don't care about violence, as long as it doesn't involve guns.

nopants · February 19, 2010, 12:29 PM

I just made this up in Excel, and what I see is no correlation, either way, between Brady Score and Crime Ranking.

Sources:
http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/...ateRatings.pdf
http://os.cqpress.com/rankings/Crime...kings_2009.pdf

Sorry for the large format:
Brady score is red, Crime rank is blue. The lower the Crime Rank, the better. NH is lowest crime, Nevada is highest.

madmo44mag · February 19, 2010, 12:53 PM

We evil gun toten folks in Texas scored 9.
We will try and do better next year, maybe a 1 or a 2 LOL!!!!

green-grizzly · February 19, 2010, 01:21 PM

The correlation coeffecient between the violent crime rates and the brady scores is 0.05. So strict guns laws correlate with high crime, but the relationship is very weak.

Some of the low scoring states, like Utah and Idaho, have low crime, but others, like Arizona and Lousiana, have pretty high violent crime rates. There is something other than lax gun control driving violent crime rates, but it is of course not proper to think about such things.

Kreyzhorse · February 19, 2010, 01:36 PM

Nice graph No Pants.

I took a nod from your idea and pulled the violent crime data for the top and bottom 6 of Brady's list. Here goes:

Top Brady Score States vs Violent Crime Rank

California 1st with a crime rank of 14th
New Jersey 2nd with a crime rank of 26th
Massachusetts 3rd with a crime rank of 20th
Connecticut 4th with a crime rank of 37th
Maryland 5th with a crime rank of 8th
New York with a crime rank of 22nd

Lowest Brady Score States vs Violent Crime Rank

Utah 50th with a crime rank of 45th
Oklahoma 49th with a crime rank of 17th
Louisiana 49th with a crime rank of 5th
Kentucky 49th with a crime rank of 40th
Idaho 49th with a crime rank of 42nd
Arizona 49th with a crime rank of 16th

Not much of a correlation either way but it looks like it is safe to say that the Brady campaigns ideas and their rating system does nothing to influence the rates of violent crime in a state.

Mr X · February 19, 2010, 01:47 PM

MO 4 points - like it.

WI 10 points... Grr... see what Brady thinks about zero CCW: "Wisconsin has weak gun laws..." Granted NFA items are ok, but there is a 48hr wait for handguns and other things that should make them happy.

"Only authorized users are allowed to operate new handguns"

-What, does that even mean!? The old concept of fingerprint scanners on the grip? "Training required before operation?" They come with a manual...
That's it - DNA coding. Snicker - we could have fun with that one.

To be honest, the ratings criteria are horrible for even the Brady Campaign. Most of the points/assignments are different from their older criteria. My conclusion is they created many more "categories" which are conducive to "gun violence" so as to generate lower state scores and promote a "crisis" RE firearms.

The crisis is .380... not gunshow loopholes!

I congratulate the citizens in the lowest ranked states as they see the fruits of activism, advocacy, positive image of firearms/firearm ownership reflected in state statutes.

WoofersInc · February 19, 2010, 02:11 PM

Alright. Nevada had an 11 last year and now we have a 9. Moving in the right direction.

berettaprofessor · February 19, 2010, 02:33 PM

Rats, stuck on 7 points in Kansas; 2 for the "no guns on campuses" statues, and 5 points for the "restricted under 16/17".....

Don H · February 19, 2010, 02:48 PM

Quote:

WOW! Utah has ZERO points! I'm converting to Mormon and moving west!

The 2010 should show that Mormons consist of less than 60% of the population and some counties will be significantly below 50%. Active Mormons would, of course, consist of an even smaller slice of the population.

0 out of a hundred!!!!!!!! This is like winning an Olympic gold!!! But better!!!

February 19, 2010, 10:20 AM	#1
Kreyzhorse Senior Member Join Date: April 12, 2006 Location: NKY Posts: 12,463	Brady Gun Control State Rankings Are Out The annual Brady Campaign state rankings on gun control are out and I thought I’d post the link. http://www.bradycampaign.org/stategunlaws/scorecard I’m always interested to see where my state, Kentucky falls. Last year we were tied for 50th but this year we’ve moved up to a tie for 49th. Utah took the top spot this year at number 50 with zero Brady points. I found a few surprises in their rating criteria. Besides the normal high capacity mag bans, one handgun a month limits and micro stamping; the Brady group wants a three day waiting period in addition to the background check and ammo purchases should require a permit to buy or a background check at point of sale. California of course came in 1st in Brady’s rankings with a possible 79 out of 100 points. I’d love to see the Brady group actually list where their states rank in crime rate when they publish these lists. It appears though that California with their number 1 ranking actually has the 14th highest violent crime rate in the US. Kentucky, tied for 49th according to Brady is the 40th most violent state. Now my stats are from the 2006 Census Bureau, but none the less it is interesting to see the how the Brady ratings compare to real world crime. http://www.census.gov/statab/ranks/rank21.html DC, with it's tough gun laws is of course not ranked. When they make the talk show rounds with this list, I'd love to see someone actually ask how their gun control rankings actually compare to violent crime rates in those states. I'd also love to see them get nailed on why DC isn't listed. I'll guess they'll get a pass on those questions though. __________________ "He who laughs last, laughs dead." Homer Simpson Last edited by Kreyzhorse; February 19, 2010 at 10:40 AM.

February 19, 2010, 10:29 AM	#2
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,389	I had hoped they would hold off a bit longer for Virginia to scrap its one handgun a month and to pass the restaurant ban repeal for CCW holders. Oh well, we'll shed some points in next year's poll. And are you really surprised that Brady wants a waiting period in addition to the restrictions imposed by the Brady law? A lot of states get around that waiting period by having the instant check system (including Virgina) and that ticks them off to no end. DAMMIT! 17 out of 100! We have GOT to start shedding some points. WOW! Utah has ZERO points! I'm converting to Mormon and moving west! __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

February 19, 2010, 10:31 AM	#3
svaz Senior Member Join Date: June 11, 2009 Location: KFHU Posts: 177	AZ gets 2 points out of 100. We have a VT-like CCW bill in the Senate now. If we can get that passed, maybe we can knock off those two points and go for a PERFECT score! __________________ At your local library, 973.931 PAU

February 19, 2010, 10:49 AM	#5
Kreyzhorse Senior Member Join Date: April 12, 2006 Location: NKY Posts: 12,463	The Big O, I noticed the same thing listed under Kentucky under the CCW heading. The Kentucky State Police actually process all CCW requests yet the Brady Campaign states the police are not involved in the process. Either they did very poor research or they want to give the police the power to restrict who buys gun and or ammo. __________________ "He who laughs last, laughs dead." Homer Simpson

February 19, 2010, 10:53 AM	#8
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,389	"Either they did very poor research..." No, I have no doubt that it's simply another lie. Not unlike their fear mongering "Blood running in the streets" lies that they trot out every time a state wants to pass CCW laws. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

February 19, 2010, 10:45 AM	#4
TheBigO Senior Member Join Date: February 1, 2010 Location: Bellingham Posts: 122	I feel bad for California. Also I think alot of their information is misleading- Under Permit to Purchase it says that there is no involvement by the law enforcement. What is it when they call in and get you checked with the government? Also what is a Child Proof Handgun- any child can figure something out if given the time. The only child proof hand gun is a child that has been taught gun safety!

February 19, 2010, 10:50 AM	#6
AirForceShooter Senior Member Join Date: December 21, 2005 Location: Sarasota (sort of) Florida Posts: 1,296	Florida 6 points out of a possible 100. We really have to work on that. AFS

February 19, 2010, 10:51 AM	#7
NJgunowner Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 1,254	Figures NJ would be a close 2nd in the number 2 spot... Stupid state.

February 19, 2010, 10:54 AM	#9
noyes Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2008 Posts: 1,032	Brady Campaign Ridiculous people that try to enforce rules on others. Brady Campaign you are NOT my mommy & daddy. These type of people make me SICK. Sorry had to get that out. In as nice a way as I could.

February 19, 2010, 10:58 AM	#10
green-grizzly Member Join Date: January 4, 2008 Posts: 36	Utah got zero points, the first time any state has received that score. Several states got 2 points (AK, AL, AZ, ID, KY, LA, OK) mostly becuase they don't force colleges to allow guns on campus like Utah does. Looking at Kreyzhorse's census link, Utah is ranked 45th in terms of violent crime. svaz, I don't think Brady scores having no license CCW, so AZ will still have a score of 2 until they get guns on campus. I know there was such a bill proposed a year or two ago; did it get tabled? __________________ The only thing of value which we have at present is our arms and our courage. So long as we keep our arms we fancy that we can make good use of our courage; but if we surrender our arms we shall lose our lives as well. -Theopompus

February 19, 2010, 11:04 AM	#12
dabigguns357 Senior Member Join Date: May 3, 2008 Location: Ona,West Virginia Posts: 1,215	West Virginia only had 4 points wow i would have figured more but i can see we are going to have to work hard to shed our points to. __________________ it's better to have a gun on your hip than one to your head

February 19, 2010, 11:53 AM	#14
Chipperman Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2000 Location: Live Free or Die, Baby! Posts: 1,550	NH got 9 points, but they did not give a ranking. Ranked 47/50 for violent crime. MA, where I used to live, is ranked 3rd for gun laws and 20th for violent crime. :barf:

February 19, 2010, 12:13 PM	#15
svaz Senior Member Join Date: June 11, 2009 Location: KFHU Posts: 177	Green-Grizley - I don't think that law came to vote. So much to do, so many come-to-roost socialist snow-birds getting in the way. For non-socialist snow-birds, welcome. __________________ At your local library, 973.931 PAU

February 19, 2010, 12:14 PM	#16
HarrySchell Senior Member Join Date: March 30, 2007 Location: South CA Posts: 566	CA got 9 points and has one of the highest murder rates per 100K of population. High Brady rankings and high murder/violent crime rates go together. As in the UK. Er, these people are against violence? __________________ Loyalty to petrified opinions never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul in this world — and never will. — Mark Twain

February 19, 2010, 12:21 PM	#17
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,389	"Er, these people are against violence?" Of course not! How silly of you. They're against GUNS. They don't care about violence, as long as it doesn't involve guns. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

February 19, 2010, 12:29 PM	#18
nopants Junior Member Join Date: December 21, 2009 Posts: 9	I just made this up in Excel, and what I see is no correlation, either way, between Brady Score and Crime Ranking. Sources: http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/...ateRatings.pdf http://os.cqpress.com/rankings/Crime...kings_2009.pdf Sorry for the large format: Brady score is red, Crime rank is blue. The lower the Crime Rank, the better. NH is lowest crime, Nevada is highest. Last edited by nopants; February 19, 2010 at 05:36 PM.

February 19, 2010, 12:53 PM	#19
madmo44mag Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 2008 Location: Ft.Worth, Texas Posts: 1,522	We evil gun toten folks in Texas scored 9. We will try and do better next year, maybe a 1 or a 2 LOL!!!! __________________ Texas - Not just a state but an attitude! For monthly shooting events in DFW visit http://www.meetup.com/TexasGunOwner-DFW

February 19, 2010, 01:21 PM	#20
green-grizzly Member Join Date: January 4, 2008 Posts: 36	The correlation coeffecient between the violent crime rates and the brady scores is 0.05. So strict guns laws correlate with high crime, but the relationship is very weak. Some of the low scoring states, like Utah and Idaho, have low crime, but others, like Arizona and Lousiana, have pretty high violent crime rates. There is something other than lax gun control driving violent crime rates, but it is of course not proper to think about such things. __________________ The only thing of value which we have at present is our arms and our courage. So long as we keep our arms we fancy that we can make good use of our courage; but if we surrender our arms we shall lose our lives as well. -Theopompus Last edited by green-grizzly; February 19, 2010 at 01:38 PM.

February 19, 2010, 01:36 PM	#21
Kreyzhorse Senior Member Join Date: April 12, 2006 Location: NKY Posts: 12,463	Nice graph No Pants. I took a nod from your idea and pulled the violent crime data for the top and bottom 6 of Brady's list. Here goes: Top Brady Score States vs Violent Crime Rank California 1st with a crime rank of 14th New Jersey 2nd with a crime rank of 26th Massachusetts 3rd with a crime rank of 20th Connecticut 4th with a crime rank of 37th Maryland 5th with a crime rank of 8th New York with a crime rank of 22nd Lowest Brady Score States vs Violent Crime Rank Utah 50th with a crime rank of 45th Oklahoma 49th with a crime rank of 17th Louisiana 49th with a crime rank of 5th Kentucky 49th with a crime rank of 40th Idaho 49th with a crime rank of 42nd Arizona 49th with a crime rank of 16th Not much of a correlation either way but it looks like it is safe to say that the Brady campaigns ideas and their rating system does nothing to influence the rates of violent crime in a state. __________________ "He who laughs last, laughs dead." Homer Simpson

February 19, 2010, 01:47 PM	#22
Mr X Member Join Date: November 7, 2008 Location: WI Posts: 34	Go MO! MO 4 points - like it. WI 10 points... Grr... see what Brady thinks about zero CCW: "Wisconsin has weak gun laws..." Granted NFA items are ok, but there is a 48hr wait for handguns and other things that should make them happy. "Only authorized users are allowed to operate new handguns" -What, does that even mean!? The old concept of fingerprint scanners on the grip? "Training required before operation?" They come with a manual... That's it - DNA coding. Snicker - we could have fun with that one. To be honest, the ratings criteria are horrible for even the Brady Campaign. Most of the points/assignments are different from their older criteria. My conclusion is they created many more "categories" which are conducive to "gun violence" so as to generate lower state scores and promote a "crisis" RE firearms. The crisis is .380... not gunshow loopholes! I congratulate the citizens in the lowest ranked states as they see the fruits of activism, advocacy, positive image of firearms/firearm ownership reflected in state statutes.

February 19, 2010, 02:11 PM	#23
WoofersInc Senior Member Join Date: April 22, 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 224	Alright. Nevada had an 11 last year and now we have a 9. Moving in the right direction.

February 19, 2010, 02:33 PM	#24
berettaprofessor Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2008 Posts: 1,091	Rats, stuck on 7 points in Kansas; 2 for the "no guns on campuses" statues, and 5 points for the "restricted under 16/17".....