JBT's--prefered method of Home Invasions. - Page 2

Viceroy808 · November 21, 2000, 08:55 PM

That sounds like a really socially maladjusted thing to do ... no offense ... but making "murder holes" in your house is kind of a bitter solution isn't it ... why not go all the way and brick in the windows, make portholes in various places, and stick periscopes out ... seriously, there has to be a way of making a house livable without resorting to extreme measures in static defense.

nbk2000 · November 22, 2000, 10:46 AM

I'm not going to build murder holes in my house. I was just reponding to dragontooth73s query about castle defenses and how they could be incorporated into ones home.

The only people I could see having reason for murder holes in their home would be high power drug lords, bosnians, and ultraparanoids.

Viceroy808 · November 22, 2000, 12:29 PM

actually nbk2000, that's my old nickname. When I did mention Japanese castles and the way they are laid out internally, it is because in traditional houses much of the same is imitated. What I essentially mentioned are passive defenses that could be incorporated into any blueprint for a home. The best defenses are unseen. I think these are better than having active defenses such as explosives, which require a high degree of maintenance and awareness, which are a potential hazard to welcome guests and residents alike.

From what I understand, in Brazil where home invasions are common, architects are now designing buildings with added defensive value (rose bushes on the perimiter, for instance) rather than strictly following aesthetic designs. The LA Times had a profile on this 2 years ago or so.

Basically the best "fortifications" I think are those which:

(1) Either deter through overt defenses or remain well hidden
(2) Channel BGs who chose to enter, impede their progress and actions, and set off warnings to the householder
(3) Keep the householders (loved ones' bedrooms far away, etc) well out of reach but enable escape as well
(4) Spatially laid out so that a few can engage many if open confrontation is the only recourse.

Wow ... this thread is getting long.

nbk2000 · November 23, 2000, 06:59 AM

You could add a passive defensive feature to your house by making the hallway leading to your bedroom only 16" wide for 6'-8' of its length.

This would force any intruders who've made it that far to turn sideways and sidestep through the hallway one at a time. This greatly reduces the speed which they can advance, you can easily shoot down this hallway with no chance of missing the target, the BG can't duck or hide, his homies can't return fire without hitting him, and basically you're in total control and they're screwed.

I'm sure some clever person could figure out how to build something that folds into the wall when your normally awake so it's not in your way, and that can be folded out at night to form the "kill" zone.

Bam Bam · November 24, 2000, 12:48 PM

Well, what about installing a metal door with a metal frame for the Master Bedroom (Hideout Redoubt). The flimsy hollow wooden doors inside most houses are easily kicked in or shot through. And why not make a trapdoor in the hallway with pungi sticks at the bottom? Multiple impalements would slow down just about any BG. When he is pounding on the door just flip the trap and away he goes...or have a 16 ton weight fall on his head. If Monty Python can do it, why can't you?

Actually I think the solution to home invasion is capital punsishment. Having read about them in several books by policemen/FBI agents I feel the scum who do such things need to be shown the error of their ways by becoming nothingness. Society owes nothing less to the good people than to permentantly remove the willfully malicious.

Well, getting serious again I was flipping through a book at Borders called something like "Unusual Deaths". More than a couple of people had died from boobytraps they set to whack intruders. Is don't pay to be paranoid AND forgetful.

All in all, the dog idea sounds like the best. And you might make a good friend, too.

March 7, 2001, 03:55 AM

Is it true that booby traps are illegal? Obviously things like punji sticks and falling weights are not meant to be taken seriously, but I read something earlier about pepper spray foggers which seemed like a pretty cool idea. Are 'nonlethal' 'hindrances' acceptable? Spider wire stuff in the bushses would probably be okay. What about silly stuff like in the Home Alone movie?

November 21, 2000, 08:55 PM	#26
Viceroy808 Member Join Date: November 16, 2000 Posts: 86	That sounds like a really socially maladjusted thing to do ... no offense ... but making "murder holes" in your house is kind of a bitter solution isn't it ... why not go all the way and brick in the windows, make portholes in various places, and stick periscopes out ... seriously, there has to be a way of making a house livable without resorting to extreme measures in static defense.

November 22, 2000, 10:46 AM	#27
nbk2000 Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 2000 Posts: 216	I'm not going to build murder holes in my house. I was just reponding to dragontooth73s query about castle defenses and how they could be incorporated into ones home. The only people I could see having reason for murder holes in their home would be high power drug lords, bosnians, and ultraparanoids.

November 22, 2000, 12:29 PM	#28
Viceroy808 Member Join Date: November 16, 2000 Posts: 86	actually nbk2000, that's my old nickname. When I did mention Japanese castles and the way they are laid out internally, it is because in traditional houses much of the same is imitated. What I essentially mentioned are passive defenses that could be incorporated into any blueprint for a home. The best defenses are unseen. I think these are better than having active defenses such as explosives, which require a high degree of maintenance and awareness, which are a potential hazard to welcome guests and residents alike. From what I understand, in Brazil where home invasions are common, architects are now designing buildings with added defensive value (rose bushes on the perimiter, for instance) rather than strictly following aesthetic designs. The LA Times had a profile on this 2 years ago or so. Basically the best "fortifications" I think are those which: (1) Either deter through overt defenses or remain well hidden (2) Channel BGs who chose to enter, impede their progress and actions, and set off warnings to the householder (3) Keep the householders (loved ones' bedrooms far away, etc) well out of reach but enable escape as well (4) Spatially laid out so that a few can engage many if open confrontation is the only recourse. Wow ... this thread is getting long.

November 23, 2000, 06:59 AM	#29
nbk2000 Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 2000 Posts: 216	You could add a passive defensive feature to your house by making the hallway leading to your bedroom only 16" wide for 6'-8' of its length. This would force any intruders who've made it that far to turn sideways and sidestep through the hallway one at a time. This greatly reduces the speed which they can advance, you can easily shoot down this hallway with no chance of missing the target, the BG can't duck or hide, his homies can't return fire without hitting him, and basically you're in total control and they're screwed. I'm sure some clever person could figure out how to build something that folds into the wall when your normally awake so it's not in your way, and that can be folded out at night to form the "kill" zone.

November 24, 2000, 12:48 PM	#30
Bam Bam Senior Member Join Date: April 25, 2000 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 842	Well, what about installing a metal door with a metal frame for the Master Bedroom (Hideout Redoubt). The flimsy hollow wooden doors inside most houses are easily kicked in or shot through. And why not make a trapdoor in the hallway with pungi sticks at the bottom? Multiple impalements would slow down just about any BG. When he is pounding on the door just flip the trap and away he goes...or have a 16 ton weight fall on his head. If Monty Python can do it, why can't you? Actually I think the solution to home invasion is capital punsishment. Having read about them in several books by policemen/FBI agents I feel the scum who do such things need to be shown the error of their ways by becoming nothingness. Society owes nothing less to the good people than to permentantly remove the willfully malicious. Well, getting serious again I was flipping through a book at Borders called something like "Unusual Deaths". More than a couple of people had died from boobytraps they set to whack intruders. Is don't pay to be paranoid AND forgetful. All in all, the dog idea sounds like the best. And you might make a good friend, too.

March 7, 2001, 03:55 AM	#31
imperative Guest Posts: n/a	Is it true that booby traps are illegal? Obviously things like punji sticks and falling weights are not meant to be taken seriously, but I read something earlier about pepper spray foggers which seemed like a pretty cool idea. Are 'nonlethal' 'hindrances' acceptable? Spider wire stuff in the bushses would probably be okay. What about silly stuff like in the Home Alone movie?