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Old September 1, 2013, 08:03 PM   #26
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The government doesn't have to go to the AFT to find out what guns we possess, who reloads their own ammo and where we live. They've already got all the information they need including the photos that we've all posted on the FL and other websites.

We've basically been giving the government all the information they can use against us for years, not realizing the potential abuse of our constitutional rights.
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Old September 5, 2013, 10:17 AM   #27
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The NRA has joined an ACLU suit against the NSA phone tracking program. The NRA stated in their brief, “allow identification of NRA members, supporters, potential members, and other persons with whom the NRA communicates, potentially chilling their willingness to communicate with the NRA."


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...egistry-fears/
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Old September 5, 2013, 10:45 AM   #28
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The NRA has joined an ACLU suit against the NSA phone tracking program. The NRA stated in their brief, “allow identification of NRA members, supporters, potential members, and other persons with whom the NRA communicates, potentially chilling their willingness to communicate with the NRA."
Yep. This has been my concern from the beginning - that these snooping tools and processes are being used not for anti-terrorism efforts but as a means of identifying, targeting and administratively destroying internal/political enemies of the administration.
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Old September 5, 2013, 01:06 PM   #29
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They wouldn't violate their sacred honor by using a powerful government agency to target political foes . . . . unless of course, the agency has a three or four letter abbreviation like IRS, CIA, NSA, BATF, DOJ, DOD, FBI, CIA, or DHS

I'm sure I'm missing a few.

It's no longer paranoia when the government is actually doing the things we most feared and warned everyone about.

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Old September 8, 2013, 11:30 AM   #30
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https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/f...rief_-_nra.pdf

Here's the document. I know the author and he is quite a good guy.

It lays out the arguments in clear fashion. It should convince those who think that giving up wholesale rights on the vague promise of saving a life is a bad bargain.
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Old September 9, 2013, 04:09 PM   #31
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Intelligence is like heroin. There would be no one gathering or processing those plants if no one wanted the final product.

The basis for all the intelligence community snooping, is the insatiable demand for "product" (yes, that is what they call it) by our political leaders. If the President doesn't approve of what NSA is doing, he can stop it in ten seconds. But then he wouldn't get his Presidential Daily Intelligence Briefing every morning and feel like he knows more than anybody else, a huge ego trip.

And, of course, the people who get their doses of highly fictionalized intelligence agency derring-do on TV and in the movies wouldn't feel that "someone" was protecting them.

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Old September 10, 2013, 11:49 PM   #32
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I learned sometime around 1981 that the unofficial motto of the NSA was:
In god we trust, all others we monitor. And we'd get him too if we knew his freq.

Maybe I'd be less upset if they'd use all that info to shut down email-spammers and the telemarketers that violate the do-not-call list.

With the amount of traffic those folks generate it should be a snap to identify them and maybe target some drones...
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