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April 29, 2018, 04:28 PM | #26 | |
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Wouldn't do it now though, I'd rather have the extra inch of barrel for higher velocity.
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April 30, 2018, 11:21 PM | #27 |
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May 1, 2018, 12:08 AM | #28 |
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Ruger....pass.
10mm in a revolver...another pass.
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May 1, 2018, 08:47 AM | #29 |
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Ruger GP100 in 10mm released
I too am not interested in semi auto calibers in revolvers. But 10mm is the hotness right now and people will buy these. I applaud Ruger for giving people what they want and i hope they make money on them. More options is always a good thing IMHO.
Now if they did a GP100 in 41 mag that would definitely get my money. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I think it'll end up being a distributor exclusive, Ruger won't make too many .41 Magnums as the cartridge is not popular. With 10mm, the novelty is there for people who own 10mm and/or .40 S&W pistols and want a revolver that can shoot both cartridges without issue.
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May 1, 2018, 01:15 PM | #31 |
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I wonder if a person could modify .30-30 brass and do away with the clips? If so, then the old .401 Herter's Powermag becomes an option.
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May 2, 2018, 08:42 AM | #32 |
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I'm kind of an odd ball when it comes to barrel lengths on revolvers, I always liked 3 or 5 inch barrels. However I'll have to applaud Ruger for trying something that other manufacturers don't. Will I purchase one of these revolvers, most likely not, for the simple reason I'm at a time in my life where I don't purchase guns unless there one heck of a buy. I do like the concept of being able to shoot two calibers out of the same gun.
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May 3, 2018, 07:17 AM | #33 | |
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While converting either to 10mm Mag would allow you to shoot three cartridges (using moon clips) out of one wheelgun, the smaller GP frame with a 4.2" barrel is arguably more portable and thus 'carry-friendlier' on the trail as a woods gun. The cartridges themselves also give you load options: 10mm Mag for woods carry; 10mm AUTO for daily urban carry; .40S&W for cheap and easy plinking at the range on lazy Sunday afternoons. Last edited by agtman; May 3, 2018 at 07:53 AM. |
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May 3, 2018, 07:35 AM | #34 |
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You pretty much have to be a hand loader to even find this interesting.
This one is 6rnd, the new GP100 357 model is 7 rounds. There are almost no commercial 10mm rounds hotter than 40, so not hotter than 357. The BB and Underwood 10mm rounds are about double 357 rounds. |
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"Magnum"-level cartridges in wheelguns show significant ballistic depletion (i.e., loss of fps/fpe) when barrels are chopped below 4" (snubbies). That's why ammo-makers can advertise such impressive numbers for their .357, .41, and .44 magnum ammo lines. They're using factory "test" barrels of 6", 7", and sometimes 8". The resulting fps/fpe stats are valid, but few revolver-carrying folks in the real world tote around magnum wheelies of that size. If they're carrying a revolver at all, it will typically be some form of 2.5" snubbie. A 4.2" 10mm GP-100 is right on the borderline. Certainly easier to hump around than a 6.5" 10mm SRH. Last edited by agtman; May 3, 2018 at 08:11 AM. |
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May 3, 2018, 10:37 AM | #37 | |
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Here is a chart from Buffalobore's website where they actually use different length test guns and tell you which guns they used to show velocity differences. I know they are accurate because I have chronoed the same results myself, and sometimes they are even lower than what I got. The below is a sceenshot of their posted velocities for their .357 Outdoorsmans Keith hardcast in item 19//A/20. You can see that a 4" gave 1375 fps, and a 3" was 1302 fps. My 1 7/8 LCR was chronographed at 1250 fps. So while there is some loss, it's not "significant". 73 fps from 4" to 3" and 125 fps from 4" to 2". I wager that this BB load from my 2" LCR is hotter than many medium range .357 loads that many shoot out of their 4" barrels. I know I tested armscor and magtech and this was true. Choose your loads right and you can see no loss, i.e. hotter load in short barrel over medium load in longer barrel.
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Nothing against BB at all, I like their lines of 10mm and .41 Mag ammo, but try sourcing similar fps/fpe stats - and the barrel-lengths used to get them - for magnum revolver cartridges from any of the Big 3 (i.e., Winny, Fed, Remy). Then try the same research with Hornady and Black Hills, and see what their "test" barrel-lengths are. You're not going to see "snubby"-length barrels used. |
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But I figure if one boutique manufacturer makes the load I want, why choose the ones that are more low power? I have quite a few boxes of the BB stuff! And have tested them.
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10mm revolver
I'm for anything that helps keep the 10mm cartridge afloat. Putting the 10mm in the more portable GP frame as opposed to the ginourmous Redhawk makes a lot more sense too, even if I'm not totally sold on auto cartridges in revolvers.
There is a gap in the revolver cartridge ladder at .40 though. The old 38-40 addressed that, so did the .401 Herters, and of course the .41 mag. None of those ever gained much traction though. |
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Who's going to be the 1st to release the 10mm auto rim cartridge?
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BB is the exception that proves the rule. Other ammo-makers use long factory 'test' barrels to derive impressive velocity & energy numbers for their magnum revolver ammo. Chronograph that same ammo out of the kinds of short-barreled magnum revolvers folks are actually carrying in 'bear country' - ever heard of the 2.5" Ruger Alaskan? - and those fps/fpe stats deflate dramatically. Last edited by agtman; May 4, 2018 at 07:13 AM. |
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You can shoot 15 dollar 50rnd 357 and get 357 results. You have to pay 30 dollars from Underwood (plus shipping) for 40 rounds of hot 10mm. Otherwise, commercial 15 dollar S&B 10mm is no hotter than .40. Heck, even Speer's new Gold Dot 10mm is only 1100fps in an auto 5in. With a cylinder gap??? |
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Good points here about how a lot of 10mm is basically just .40 S&W power with a higher price tag. True, if you want the full power 10mm, you either have to reload for it or pay for premium ammo, but my guess is that those here who are saying they'd rather have .357 are already loading their .357's with premium ammo that would cost the same anyway and with the moon clips, shooting .40 is the same price as .38 Special.
I think the question one would have to ask is how much power do they want in their GP100? The 10mm GP100 is the most powerful GP ever made by Ruger, it will shoot a bigger, heavier bullet faster than .357 can. Personally, I like that and am willing to give up the extra round to have that penetrating power and given I already have a bunch of .40 S&W guns, I wouldn't mind having a revolver that's also 10mm capable too. Not to say the 7 shot GP isn't on my list too, just given the choice between the two, I'd go 10mm.
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I admit, I'm a bit cranky with the 10mm.
The internet fandom of 10mm has ALMOST gotten me to pick up a few guns in 10mm. After reading up on 10mm performance, to make 10mm any better than 40, you have to reload heavy or spend about double that any of the other auto cartirges (ie, Underwood 10mm is 17 for a box of 20rnds + plus shipping, 9mm HST is about 20 bucks with shipping). I would bet $10 Federal won't make an HST 10mm, if every, any hotter than 40. This is just what Speer did with their new 10mm Gold Dot: 40 level speed. Bullet design in HP isn't made for high speeds with the lonely exception of the Hornady XTP where the P stands for penetration. If you want that level of penetration with that expansion...FMJ in a 40 saves you a boat load of money and gives up little. Jacket separation because you hot loaded a round...well, you're giving up the benefits of HP. So, even those hot 10mm rounds from Underwood, BB, and Double Tap, they might be at the very edge or past the ability of the HP to keep together. None are loading the superior HST round. So, for defense, you give a lot up and gain an older technology. For hunting, well, even BB states on their website their (and really any) FMJ 9mm is perfectly capable of killing bear. So... |
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Look, if all you want a 10mm pistol or revolver for is to shoot .40-level ammo, don't waste your money getting a 10mm-anything. Just buy a weapon chambered in .40S&W and be done with it. As far as FMJs, if I want "heavy & fast," I don't play around with watered-down 180gn .40 slugs at 1000fps. I handload 220gn 10mm hardcast poly-coated FPs to just under 1250fps ... THAAAWAAAPP! Major backwoods goodness right there. |
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May 5, 2018, 10:13 PM | #49 |
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How about the not watered down/fast 40 150ish FMJs?
The 10mm does almost nothing well... |
May 5, 2018, 10:54 PM | #50 |
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Go 100 10mm
Niche gun I agree with others sorry I'll pass.
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