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View Poll Results: Which hunting bullet for 44 mag lever action
240gr Nosler JSP 12 48.00%
240gr Swift A-Frame 3 12.00%
265gr Hornady Interlock 10 40.00%
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Old February 22, 2021, 06:49 PM   #51
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BTW--we're a bit short on sympathy for "hard to find powders"--because NOTHING is available here in the US!!
Oh I understand my friend. We can get the European powders but if you are used to using US stuff you are out of luck.

We understand from the importers that basically until the panic buying in the US stops / purchasing returns to normal levels, consumers outside the US are getting nothing.

Have a look at Viht powders. N140 is a really useful powder for a lot of things if you are missing Varget.

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Old February 22, 2021, 06:50 PM   #52
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BTW--I just got CVA's 2021 catalog e-mailed and they had a 44 mag hunter single-shot available for just over $200--I snapped one up cause the 444 marlin hunter I have is a superlative shooter and I suspect (hope) this one will be too.

BTW Scrummy--that is a magnificent looking rifle.
Happy shooting my friend and thanks for the compliment. Like a lot of my guns, they look prettier than I do and can outshoot me as well

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Old February 22, 2021, 11:51 PM   #53
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If you can get it, IMR-4227 is a good powder for this application. There is an Australian version of it; I don't recall what they call it, but it's imported into the USA by Hodgdon, and they labeled it H-4227 at first, then IMR-4227.
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Old February 23, 2021, 11:44 AM   #54
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pics

Just saw the pics of the Chiappa Alaskan, very nice. And, as I noted earlier, they got the twist rate right with the 1-20". I was not aware that their carbine was offered with same. The takedown feature seems appealing as well.

Best of luck with your new carbine.
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Old February 23, 2021, 12:34 PM   #55
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If you can get it, IMR-4227 is a good powder for this application. There is an Australian version of it; I don't recall what they call it, but it's imported into the USA by Hodgdon, and they labeled it H-4227 at first, then IMR-4227.
I have a strong suspicion we can't get that sadly.

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Old February 23, 2021, 12:45 PM   #56
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Just saw the pics of the Chiappa Alaskan, very nice. And, as I noted earlier, they got the twist rate right with the 1-20". I was not aware that their carbine was offered with same. The takedown feature seems appealing as well.

Best of luck with your new carbine.
It's a fun little rifle.

Only thing I'm less sure about is the large lever loop. I get it if you are wearing a folded back mitten but that just isn't that likely I'm going to wear one. I'm tempted to look at replacing it with either a classic profile one or maybe one of those "modern hunter" which are a fatter loop but still have a the flat face.

I'm also tempted to put an XS sight at the back of the receiver asirons are fun but with my eyesight unless it's a peep right back by my eye I struggle.

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Old February 24, 2021, 10:57 AM   #57
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beautiful rifle. That thing will bring game home....
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Old February 24, 2021, 11:02 AM   #58
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beautiful rifle. That thing will bring game home....
Thanks very much. Better do my part.

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That might not be a bad idea though because of hunting regs where I am I need to have a muzzle energy of 1,700 ftlbs and therefore a minimum of MV of 1,786fps with a 240gr bullet. I worry a bit that the XTP and the Sierra JHC being hollow point / cavity might struggle a bit with the impact velocities that leads to.

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The 240 XTP works great as a hunting bullet in rifles. I load them with H-110 or 2400 and get 1800 fps (+or - 5 fps) out of Ruger 16 inch carbine. Every deer shot with it has dropped in its tracks when hit in the heart/ lungs, big exit wound with the rifle, but using an 8 inch Raging Bull, I've recovered bullets just under the skin on the exit side that were perfectly mushroomed and 90% still there. I've never had to track a deer shot with an XTP.
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The 240 XTP works great as a hunting bullet in rifles. I load them with H-110 or 2400 and get 1800 fps (+or - 5 fps) out of Ruger 16 inch carbine. Every deer shot with it has dropped in its tracks when hit in the heart/ lungs, big exit wound with the rifle, but using an 8 inch Raging Bull, I've recovered bullets just under the skin on the exit side that were perfectly mushroomed and 90% still there. I've never had to track a deer shot with an XTP.
That’s good to know, thanks. Would you be kind enough to share load data? PM fine if you prefer and I understand I use at my own risk
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Sure, H-110, using 23.7 to 24.0 grains, but I verify the charge weight carefully and frequently when playing around the maximum charges. Also, 22 grains of Enforcer, if you can get that.
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Sure, H-110, using 23.7 to 24.0 grains, but I verify the charge weight carefully and frequently when playing around the maximum charges. Also, 22 grains of Enforcer, if you can get that.
Thanks very much.

Yes, we can get Enforcer here. It's made in Belgium apparently.

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I disagree. For deer any of those would get the job done, no problem. Boar on the other hand are tough. they have a "shield" that covers their vitals. It is similar to scar tissue/heavy leather and can be 1-2in thick. Not just any bullet will do, you need to lean towards a heavy game bullet that will hold together well..
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LOL, that 44 mag 240 grn JSP will penetrate plenty. You sound as though you think they have armor plating.
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LOL, that 44 mag 240 grn JSP will penetrate plenty. You sound as though you think they have armor plating.
They literally do, its called a shield, and it is 1-2in thick of scar like skin material over their vitals..... Its some tough stuff. When dealing with animals that can be hard to put down, and may attack you... better safe than sorry....
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Update, just received an e-mail from BPI saying that they don't have the 44 mag rifle after all, even though it was listed in stock and I already paid for it. They did offer a 444 (which I already have) or a refund, so now I'm waiting on a refund. drat.
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They literally do, its called a shield, and it is 1-2in thick of scar like skin material over their vitals..... Its some tough stuff. When dealing with animals that can be hard to put down, and may attack you... better safe than sorry....
The 240 grain 44 mag JSP is literally made for penetration. It will penetrate at least 2 feet of flesh and bone, especially from a carbine.
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The 240 grain 44 mag JSP is literally made for penetration. It will penetrate at least 2 feet of flesh and bone, especially from a carbine.
According to noslers own description. "These bullets were built for extreme accuracy and reliable expansions at broad ranges." You will note that penetration is not listed in the description.

I will grant you it does say it's sporting bullets are good from everything from targets to hogs

Expanding bullets, like soft points, can over expand at high velocity. Such as is sometimes the case using handgun bullets in carbines. Also soft and hollow points you can lose a lot of bullet mass on expansion, especially if your pushing it on the fast side, not to mention core/jacket separation issues. This can greatly reduce penetration.

For me, for hog, a frame hands down.

Also, feel free to link testing or hunting vids of the nosler hitting 24in in gel, or a boar, in the vitals...
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According to noslers own description. "These bullets were built for extreme accuracy and reliable expansions at broad ranges." You will note that penetration is not listed in the description.

I will grant you it does say it's sporting bullets are good from everything from targets to hogs
I stand corrected.

I was thinking of the older style JSP bullets. I have not loaded any for 40 years so I am sure the styles have changed. For penetrating hunting bullets I have been loading hard cast LSWC since the last box of JSP's I bought in the 1980's.

Just about any bullet from a 44 magnum carbine will work on Hogs, though I would stay away from light JHP's.

Not much boar hunting in the north and there was not much when I lived in Texas 25 years ago.
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