Safariland "outer belt", stupid question......

TVDean · May 9, 2001, 09:59 AM

I found a good deal on the outer/inner belts, it's not the basketweave pattern.
Which side of this belt is supposed to face out?

The belt is shipped coiled in the wrong direction (fuzzy side out), so when I try to wrap it around my waist (with the smooth nylon side out,fuzzy side in), the reinforced plastic within the belt starts to buckle and crimp up in 3-4 different spots around the inside of the belt!!

It's as if it's designed to be worn with the fuzzy side out, meaning it's an inner belt and NOT an outer belt?

Tell me if I'm wrong, the inner belt is thin with velcro hooks, and the outer belt is the thicker belt with the fuzzy stuff right? No? Yes?

WESHOOT2 · May 9, 2001, 07:29 PM

Right (but my belts are leather; Bianchi 1 3/4" and Hellweg 1 1/2").

Moo.

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"all my handguns are competition handguns"

TVDean · May 9, 2001, 08:11 PM

More like KangarOO!
he-he

TVDean · May 10, 2001, 01:25 PM

"..Sir....The 4350 should be worn so that the velcro is on the inside of the belt. I'm not sure why the belt is not working correctly. I will exchange it if
you like..."

Well, that confirms my belief that It's supposed to wrap around my waist with the fuzzy side in.
Then why the hell do they ship the thing coiled with the fuzzy side out?
Shipping this way makes the reinforcement retain an opposite memory, and causes these "hills" and "bends" to pop-up on the inside (toward my waist) when I try to bend the belt in the direction it's designed for!!

I can't believe no one else has had this problem.

NAD · May 10, 2001, 02:45 PM

The inner belt is looped around your waist. The velcro is used to attach the outer belt to the inner belt. This allows you to position the outer belt with the holster and mags in place wherever you like. You can remove and replace the outer belt keeping the holster and mags in the same relative position. Most people position the outer belt so the hooks are at their back.

TVDean · May 10, 2001, 05:06 PM

I just can't understand why they would ship a belt wrapped in the opposite direction of which it is designed to be worn. The damb ting "bunches-up" in 3 or 4 spots around the inside of it!

TVDean · May 16, 2001, 10:01 AM

"...I spoke with our R&D Manager, shipping and production manager. They have
been packaging these incorrectly which is what is causing the problem. ..."

Well, there we go, I'm not as crazy as I thought I was.

[Edited by TVDean on 05-16-2001 at 02:15 PM]

smoney · May 16, 2001, 10:15 PM

just got one from brownell's yesterday, BOY that sucked!!! guess i will just have to let it set for a while wrapped the other way.

your quesiton has been answered, but i didn't want you to feel too alone.

TVDean · May 17, 2001, 09:21 AM

Thanks Smoney.

I tried the wrapping it the other way technique, it didn't work.
Safariland agreed to exchange it for me, you may want to do the same.

I ordered it from Brownells also.

RickB · May 21, 2001, 04:05 PM

Prompted by the Godon Davis article in the new Handgunner: I have an old Davis, "Thunderbolt"-style IPSC rig, which would seem to now be illegal for IPSC (pretty ridiculous, when you see what IS legal). The belt is much too wide to go through any belt loops I've ever seen, but since the belt doesn't have to go through the belt loops if it's attached to one that does, can I run a strip of velcro through the loops, then attach a few velcro pads to the inside of my belt, thereby making it a legal inner/outer belt? I've used the rig at a few club matches, without comment, but I suspect some guy with a carbon fiber/PVC/aluminum orthopedic-lookin' device will cry "foul" at the sight of so much cowhide.

TVDean · May 21, 2001, 05:02 PM

Have you been drinking?

RickB · May 21, 2001, 06:42 PM

I don't drink any more.

RickB · May 21, 2001, 06:45 PM

'Course, I don't drink any less.

TVDean · May 21, 2001, 08:55 PM

Thank-you, Mr.B will be here all week!

I don't see any reason why you couldn't use your rig, as long as it's attached to your pant loops somehow.

DVCBILL · May 22, 2001, 05:15 PM

I have one that came the same way. I used a heat gun gently to smoooth the stretched parts.

TVDean · May 23, 2001, 04:37 PM

They shipped me a new one. It was coiled in the right direction.

May 10, 2001, 01:25 PM	#4
TVDean Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 1999 Posts: 173	Response from Safariland... "..Sir....The 4350 should be worn so that the velcro is on the inside of the belt. I'm not sure why the belt is not working correctly. I will exchange it if you like..." Well, that confirms my belief that It's supposed to wrap around my waist with the fuzzy side in. Then why the hell do they ship the thing coiled with the fuzzy side out? Shipping this way makes the reinforcement retain an opposite memory, and causes these "hills" and "bends" to pop-up on the inside (toward my waist) when I try to bend the belt in the direction it's designed for!! I can't believe no one else has had this problem.

May 10, 2001, 05:06 PM	#6
TVDean Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 1999 Posts: 173	I know that......:) I just can't understand why they would ship a belt wrapped in the opposite direction of which it is designed to be worn. The damb ting "bunches-up" in 3 or 4 spots around the inside of it!

May 16, 2001, 10:01 AM	#7
TVDean Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 1999 Posts: 173	Reply from the factory.......... "...I spoke with our R&D Manager, shipping and production manager. They have been packaging these incorrectly which is what is causing the problem. ..." Well, there we go, I'm not as crazy as I thought I was. [Edited by TVDean on 05-16-2001 at 02:15 PM]

May 17, 2001, 09:21 AM	#9
TVDean Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 1999 Posts: 173	AFIRMATION!!! Thanks Smoney. I tried the wrapping it the other way technique, it didn't work. Safariland agreed to exchange it for me, you may want to do the same. I ordered it from Brownells also.

May 21, 2001, 08:55 PM	#14
TVDean Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 1999 Posts: 173	DAA-DAA-DUUUUM....TISSSSssssss...... Thank-you, Mr.B will be here all week! I don't see any reason why you couldn't use your rig, as long as it's attached to your pant loops somehow.

May 9, 2001, 09:59 AM	#1
TVDean Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 1999 Posts: 173	I found a good deal on the outer/inner belts, it's not the basketweave pattern. Which side of this belt is supposed to face out? The belt is shipped coiled in the wrong direction (fuzzy side out), so when I try to wrap it around my waist (with the smooth nylon side out,fuzzy side in), the reinforced plastic within the belt starts to buckle and crimp up in 3-4 different spots around the inside of the belt!! It's as if it's designed to be worn with the fuzzy side out, meaning it's an inner belt and NOT an outer belt? Tell me if I'm wrong, the inner belt is thin with velcro hooks, and the outer belt is the thicker belt with the fuzzy stuff right? No? Yes?

May 9, 2001, 07:29 PM	#2
WESHOOT2 Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 1999 Location: home on the range; Vermont (Caspian country) Posts: 14,324	Right (but my belts are leather; Bianchi 1 3/4" and Hellweg 1 1/2"). Moo. --------------------------------------- "all my handguns are competition handguns"

May 9, 2001, 08:11 PM	#3
TVDean Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 1999 Posts: 173	More like KangarOO! he-he

May 10, 2001, 02:45 PM	#5
NAD Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 1998 Posts: 169	The inner belt is looped around your waist. The velcro is used to attach the outer belt to the inner belt. This allows you to position the outer belt with the holster and mags in place wherever you like. You can remove and replace the outer belt keeping the holster and mags in the same relative position. Most people position the outer belt so the hooks are at their back.

May 16, 2001, 10:15 PM	#8
smoney Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 1999 Location: WV, USA Posts: 136	just got one from brownell's yesterday, BOY that sucked!!! guess i will just have to let it set for a while wrapped the other way. your quesiton has been answered, but i didn't want you to feel too alone.

May 21, 2001, 04:05 PM	#10
RickB Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2000 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 8,518	Prompted by the Godon Davis article in the new Handgunner: I have an old Davis, "Thunderbolt"-style IPSC rig, which would seem to now be illegal for IPSC (pretty ridiculous, when you see what IS legal). The belt is much too wide to go through any belt loops I've ever seen, but since the belt doesn't have to go through the belt loops if it's attached to one that does, can I run a strip of velcro through the loops, then attach a few velcro pads to the inside of my belt, thereby making it a legal inner/outer belt? I've used the rig at a few club matches, without comment, but I suspect some guy with a carbon fiber/PVC/aluminum orthopedic-lookin' device will cry "foul" at the sight of so much cowhide.

May 21, 2001, 05:02 PM	#11
TVDean Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 1999 Posts: 173	Have you been drinking?

May 21, 2001, 06:42 PM	#12
RickB Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2000 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 8,518	I don't drink any more.

May 21, 2001, 06:45 PM	#13
RickB Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2000 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 8,518	'Course, I don't drink any less.

May 22, 2001, 05:15 PM	#15
DVCBILL Member Join Date: November 17, 1999 Location: Townsend DE USA Posts: 19	I have one that came the same way. I used a heat gun gently to smoooth the stretched parts.

May 23, 2001, 04:37 PM	#16
TVDean Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 1999 Posts: 173	Got a new one from Safariland! They shipped me a new one. It was coiled in the right direction.