Does Anyone In The U.S. (Or Anywhere) Own a Baikal MP-446?

Gunnut17 · September 6, 2012, 11:43 PM

*Sigh*, why do so many of the guns I want have some importation law or something making owning one so difficult?

Anyway, the title says it all, I like the MP-446 Viking, the only Russian pistol I have ever seen with out wood grips and low capacity. It is the civilian legalized version of the MP-443 Grach, it is in 9mm, holds 17 rounds, but can hold 20 or 25 with aftermarket mags. has a really cool look to it, and is awesome. Unfortunately, I realized soon after this tickled my fancy, that due to a 15+ year-old law, Russian guns that aren't on some list cannot be imported here, the 446 is one of them.

My question, aimed mostly at those in the U.S., do you own or have handled/seen one? What did you think of it?

Oh, and if you do own one, and it is not too much trouble, pics please?

Thanks!

Gunnut17 · September 12, 2012, 10:40 AM

I am going to take that as a no.

carguychris · September 12, 2012, 10:56 AM

Only certain firearms produced in the Russian Federation can be legally imported into the USA. AFAIK the MP-446 is not on the list.

9mm · September 12, 2012, 11:28 AM

Thats too bad, I seen that gun in Battlefield 3 and always wondered about it.

Creeper · September 12, 2012, 12:00 PM

Interesting gun. It reminds me, in certain design elements, of a strange marriage of assorted guns such as the Browning BDA/M, Llama Omni and Steyr GB. Yeah... I know, don't ask why, it just does.

Looks like they are available, as a "restricted firearm" in Canada.

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carguychris · September 12, 2012, 12:18 PM

Wow! This is now one of the few cases where I envy our northern neighbors with regards to guns.

FWIW most of the other cases involve the absence of a direct regulatory parallel to an NFA SBS or SBR based solely on measured barrel or overall length, the continued availability of Norinco products, and the absence of the ridiculous ATF "Sporting Purposes" handgun importation test.

FWIW all modern handguns are either Restricted or Prohibited in Canada.

tekarra · September 12, 2012, 07:18 PM

You may want to log on to Canadian Gun Nutz and read the shooting reports.

TennJed · September 12, 2012, 10:04 PM

Looks like a Ruger P95 and a EAA poly witness had a baby

**JohnKSa** · September 12, 2012, 11:12 PM

This gun is a double-stack magazine double-feed design. That was one of the original design parameters of the CZ-75, but the designer was unable to make it work.

In a double-stack, double-feed magazine, the rounds don't have to be slid in under the feedlips, they can be pushed down from the top and will snap into place--as with an AR-15 or AK-47 design.

It complicates the feeding process because rounds start out from one of two places on their trip to the chamber. In a more conventional single-feed magazine, the double stack of rounds is squeezed down at the top of the magazine to a single stack and so the rounds only feed from a single spot into the chamber.

One advantage is that you get a little more capacity for a given magazine length since the double stack goes right up to the top of the magazine instead of being funnelled down to a single stack at the top. Another advantage is that it's much easier to load the magazines.

It's not very common to see double-feed magazines in pistol designs. In the video below, you can see the shooter loading the magazines.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmEQr...ailpage#t=118s

I kind of like the slide projections at the rear that shield the hammer--seems like a smart feature to prevent the hammer from being cocked accidentally while holstered.

Looks like the export version Viking MP446 has a polymer frame while the military pistol Grach MP443 has a steel frame.

Gunnut17 · September 12, 2012, 11:31 PM

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Looks like they are available, as a "restricted firearm" in Canada

Yeah, I learned that a while ago, I don't get how they can get a MP446 and Americans can't.

Fishbed77 · September 13, 2012, 12:07 AM

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Yeah, I learned that a while ago, I don't get how they can get a MP446 and Americans can't.

Because Americans made a very poor choice in the 1992 presidential election.

raftman · September 13, 2012, 03:07 AM

Rumor has it Russia's recent acceptance into the WTO may result in the scrapping of the regulations in question, thus allowing the importation of firearms that are at present disallowed.

tekarra · September 13, 2012, 07:30 PM

Raftman, that would be very good news indeed.

September 6, 2012, 11:43 PM	#1
Gunnut17 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2012 Location: Kitsap County, WA, USA Posts: 445	Does Anyone In The U.S. Own a MP-446? Sigh, why do so many of the guns I want have some importation law or something making owning one so difficult? Anyway, the title says it all, I like the MP-446 Viking, the only Russian pistol I have ever seen with out wood grips and low capacity. It is the civilian legalized version of the MP-443 Grach, it is in 9mm, holds 17 rounds, but can hold 20 or 25 with aftermarket mags. has a really cool look to it, and is awesome. Unfortunately, I realized soon after this tickled my fancy, that due to a 15+ year-old law, Russian guns that aren't on some list cannot be imported here, the 446 is one of them. My question, aimed mostly at those in the U.S., do you own or have handled/seen one? What did you think of it? Oh, and if you do own one, and it is not too much trouble, pics please? Thanks! Last edited by Gunnut17; September 8, 2012 at 12:22 AM.

September 12, 2012, 10:56 AM	#3
carguychris Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2007 Location: Richardson, TX Posts: 7,523	Only certain firearms produced in the Russian Federation can be legally imported into the USA. AFAIK the MP-446 is not on the list. __________________ "Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules... MARK IT ZERO!!" - Walter Sobchak

September 12, 2012, 12:00 PM	#5
Creeper Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2008 Location: Woooooshington Posts: 1,797	Interesting gun. It reminds me, in certain design elements, of a strange marriage of assorted guns such as the Browning BDA/M, Llama Omni and Steyr GB. Yeah... I know, don't ask why, it just does. Looks like they are available, as a "restricted firearm" in Canada. C __________________ Shoulder Drive Nicholson Club

September 12, 2012, 12:18 PM	#6
carguychris Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2007 Location: Richardson, TX Posts: 7,523	Wow! This is now one of the few cases where I envy our northern neighbors with regards to guns. FWIW most of the other cases involve the absence of a direct regulatory parallel to an NFA SBS or SBR based solely on measured barrel or overall length, the continued availability of Norinco products, and the absence of the ridiculous ATF "Sporting Purposes" handgun importation test. FWIW all modern handguns are either Restricted or Prohibited in Canada. __________________ "Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules... MARK IT ZERO!!" - Walter Sobchak Last edited by carguychris; September 12, 2012 at 12:19 PM. Reason: Norinco

September 12, 2012, 10:04 PM	#8
TennJed Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2010 Posts: 1,536	Looks like a Ruger P95 and a EAA poly witness had a baby __________________ Find out just how tall I am By jumping in the middle of a river

September 12, 2012, 10:40 AM	#2
Gunnut17 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2012 Location: Kitsap County, WA, USA Posts: 445	I am going to take that as a no.

September 12, 2012, 11:28 AM	#4
9mm Senior Member Join Date: January 9, 2011 Location: Land of the Free Posts: 2,834	Thats too bad, I seen that gun in Battlefield 3 and always wondered about it.

September 12, 2012, 07:18 PM	#7
tekarra Senior Member Join Date: May 26, 2007 Posts: 1,164	You may want to log on to Canadian Gun Nutz and read the shooting reports.

September 12, 2012, 11:12 PM	#9
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 24,973	This gun is a double-stack magazine double-feed design. That was one of the original design parameters of the CZ-75, but the designer was unable to make it work. In a double-stack, double-feed magazine, the rounds don't have to be slid in under the feedlips, they can be pushed down from the top and will snap into place--as with an AR-15 or AK-47 design. It complicates the feeding process because rounds start out from one of two places on their trip to the chamber. In a more conventional single-feed magazine, the double stack of rounds is squeezed down at the top of the magazine to a single stack and so the rounds only feed from a single spot into the chamber. One advantage is that you get a little more capacity for a given magazine length since the double stack goes right up to the top of the magazine instead of being funnelled down to a single stack at the top. Another advantage is that it's much easier to load the magazines. It's not very common to see double-feed magazines in pistol designs. In the video below, you can see the shooter loading the magazines. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmEQr...ailpage#t=118s I kind of like the slide projections at the rear that shield the hammer--seems like a smart feature to prevent the hammer from being cocked accidentally while holstered. Looks like the export version Viking MP446 has a polymer frame while the military pistol Grach MP443 has a steel frame. __________________ Do you know about the TEXAS State Rifle Association?

September 13, 2012, 03:07 AM	#12
raftman Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2009 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,890	Rumor has it Russia's recent acceptance into the WTO may result in the scrapping of the regulations in question, thus allowing the importation of firearms that are at present disallowed. __________________ "My momma, she done told me, there's heart and then there's hate If one of 'em's inside of you, the other one, it aint."

September 13, 2012, 07:30 PM	#13
tekarra Senior Member Join Date: May 26, 2007 Posts: 1,164	Raftman, that would be very good news indeed.