remington model 4

wenhis · July 9, 2000, 04:23 PM

this 22 cal rifle was passed down to me from my great grandfather and I am interested in the guns history and approx value.

Steven Mace · July 9, 2000, 05:50 PM

Wenhis, if your great grandfathers rifle looks like this:

...then you're describing a Remington No.4 Rolling Block rifle. The No. 4 Rolling Block was made from 1890-1933 with a total of about 350,000 being produced in multiple variations. If there are no other markings on the rifle, such as "Military Model" or "Boy Scout Rifle", then your have a standard No.4 Rolling Block.

The No.4 was chambered in .22 S, L, and LR as well as .25 Stevens (barrels marked "25-10") and .32 Short & Long. Barrels were 22.5" long and originally octagonal with round barrels offered later towards the end of production. Those chambered in .32 caliber were offered with a 24" barrel. Also, in about 1911 smoothbore barrels were offered. It had a V-notch rear sight with a bead front sight. The finish was blued with a case hardened frame. The frames were originally solid with the first takedown version offered in 1901 using a lever release. A second takedown version was offered in 1926 using a screw.

A standard grade No.4 Rolling Block in excellent condition could be worth about $475-$550 chambered in .22 caliber. Premiums would be added for solid frame versions and those with a smooth bore barrel. Hope this helps!

Steve Mace

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After today, its all historical

Harley Nolden · July 10, 2000, 06:18 AM

Wenhis:
RIDER
Other Names: Remington Rolling Block
Remington Rider
Mfg: E. Remington & Sons
Ilon Ny
DENMARK:

Model: 1867
Mfg: Remington & Sons
Year of Mfg: 1867-70
Quantity: 40,450

Gevaerfabrik, Kjonbenhaven 1870-88
Quantity: 80,000 Exclude conversions
Caliber: 11.7X51mm Rimmed
Action: Radial Block
Length: 1,280mm
Weight: 4.20kg
Barrel Length: 907mm
Groove: 5 RH concentric
M-Velocity: 375m/sec W/1867 Ball ctg

The rolling block breech, developed from the earlier split breech pattern credited to Leonard Geiger, was the subject of patents granted to Joseph Rider in the late 1860's. The essence of the
system lay in an interlock between a sturdy hammer and the radial breech piece.

The US Army did not view the rolling blocks with any enthusiasm, foreign governments ordering more. Denmark ordered substantial numbers of the rifles and carbines in a ;year in which the Rider breech received a silver medal from the Paris Exposition.

Remington ton claimed sales of 16,500 rifles and carbines and pistils to the US Army, 23,000 to the Navy 15,000 model 1871 Locking rifles to New :Your State and 5,000 rifle musket
conversions to South Carolina. Among export orders 75,000 rifles and carbines supplied to Spain for fuse in Cuba, beginning in 1867 and 30,000 guns; for Sweden from 1868 forward.

Differing patterns advertised were the .50 caliber, US Model 1871, .58 Caliber Springfield rifle muskets, long and short, the .43 or llmm caliber Spanish Remington or Russian, .43 Caliber
Civil Guard model and the .43 French model chambered for the Egyptian Cog. these models were also made in the .43 and .50 caliber carbines.

Military weapons were also made for Denmark, caliber 8X58mm rimmed, and a carbine in the same caliber as the 1887 Infantry rifle. Egypt also purchased the Rider in caliber 11.43X50mm
rimmed in 1868, with Mexico purchasing 10,000 in caliber 7X57mm rimless. Norway purchased 5,800 in 1867 in caliber 12.17mm rimmed, and 8X58mm rimmed cartridge.

July 9, 2000, 04:23 PM	#1
wenhis Junior Member Join Date: July 8, 2000 Location: Perkasie,Pa Posts: 1	this 22 cal rifle was passed down to me from my great grandfather and I am interested in the guns history and approx value.

July 9, 2000, 05:50 PM	#2
Steven Mace Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 1999 Location: Clifton, Colorado USA Posts: 724	Wenhis, if your great grandfathers rifle looks like this: ...then you're describing a Remington No.4 Rolling Block rifle. The No. 4 Rolling Block was made from 1890-1933 with a total of about 350,000 being produced in multiple variations. If there are no other markings on the rifle, such as "Military Model" or "Boy Scout Rifle", then your have a standard No.4 Rolling Block. The No.4 was chambered in .22 S, L, and LR as well as .25 Stevens (barrels marked "25-10") and .32 Short & Long. Barrels were 22.5" long and originally octagonal with round barrels offered later towards the end of production. Those chambered in .32 caliber were offered with a 24" barrel. Also, in about 1911 smoothbore barrels were offered. It had a V-notch rear sight with a bead front sight. The finish was blued with a case hardened frame. The frames were originally solid with the first takedown version offered in 1901 using a lever release. A second takedown version was offered in 1926 using a screw. A standard grade No.4 Rolling Block in excellent condition could be worth about $475-$550 chambered in .22 caliber. Premiums would be added for solid frame versions and those with a smooth bore barrel. Hope this helps! Steve Mace ------------------ After today, its all historical

July 10, 2000, 06:18 AM	#3
Harley Nolden Staff In Memoriam Join Date: January 8, 1999 Location: Brunswick,GA USA Posts: 1,884	Wenhis: RIDER Other Names: Remington Rolling Block Remington Rider Mfg: E. Remington & Sons Ilon Ny DENMARK: Model: 1867 Mfg: Remington & Sons Year of Mfg: 1867-70 Quantity: 40,450 Gevaerfabrik, Kjonbenhaven 1870-88 Quantity: 80,000 Exclude conversions Caliber: 11.7X51mm Rimmed Action: Radial Block Length: 1,280mm Weight: 4.20kg Barrel Length: 907mm Groove: 5 RH concentric M-Velocity: 375m/sec W/1867 Ball ctg The rolling block breech, developed from the earlier split breech pattern credited to Leonard Geiger, was the subject of patents granted to Joseph Rider in the late 1860's. The essence of the system lay in an interlock between a sturdy hammer and the radial breech piece. The US Army did not view the rolling blocks with any enthusiasm, foreign governments ordering more. Denmark ordered substantial numbers of the rifles and carbines in a ;year in which the Rider breech received a silver medal from the Paris Exposition. Remington ton claimed sales of 16,500 rifles and carbines and pistils to the US Army, 23,000 to the Navy 15,000 model 1871 Locking rifles to New :Your State and 5,000 rifle musket conversions to South Carolina. Among export orders 75,000 rifles and carbines supplied to Spain for fuse in Cuba, beginning in 1867 and 30,000 guns; for Sweden from 1868 forward. Differing patterns advertised were the .50 caliber, US Model 1871, .58 Caliber Springfield rifle muskets, long and short, the .43 or llmm caliber Spanish Remington or Russian, .43 Caliber Civil Guard model and the .43 French model chambered for the Egyptian Cog. these models were also made in the .43 and .50 caliber carbines. Military weapons were also made for Denmark, caliber 8X58mm rimmed, and a carbine in the same caliber as the 1887 Infantry rifle. Egypt also purchased the Rider in caliber 11.43X50mm rimmed in 1868, with Mexico purchasing 10,000 in caliber 7X57mm rimless. Norway purchased 5,800 in 1867 in caliber 12.17mm rimmed, and 8X58mm rimmed cartridge.