jeweled action for revolver

yanges · March 11, 2009, 05:37 PM

is ther anyone who does gun work on here?

i am thinking of getting the action in my revolver jeweled.

Thanks!!

hogdogs · March 11, 2009, 05:52 PM

Yes there are real "smiffs" on this board. Is jeweled like a jeweled movement in a watch where rubies are the bearings?
Brent

yanges · March 11, 2009, 06:01 PM

i had a revolver 'jeweled' a few years ago - it is taken apart and jewels added to key parts for extra smooth action!

i thought i had found the person on this site a few years back and was hoping he was still around.

kraigwy · March 11, 2009, 06:08 PM

I use to do it when I had a gunsmith shop, I'm not in the business but still do mine and for friends.

Its really a simple process. Any gun smith that does jeweling on bolts can do it.

It looks nice, but what really counts is its functionable. Makes the action smother. Jeweling is nothing more then little tiny scratches in swirl motions that catch and hold oils, protecting the gun and making it smother.

Bill DeShivs · March 11, 2009, 06:36 PM

Jeweling is a surface pattern. It has nothing to do with gems and jewels.

hogdogs · March 11, 2009, 06:40 PM

so what I know as "engine spun" or "machine spun" pattern which is generally 2 inch or so but the little circles on polished bolts that I thought was decorative only?

thanks for adding a new word to my vocabulary. Now I can re-subscibe to readers digest hoping it comes up in the enrich your word power...

Brent

yanges · March 11, 2009, 07:51 PM

Thanks for clarifying what jeweling is everyone!

it definitely smoothes things up! i have heard law enforcement officers like to get it done as it makes the gun more reliable too...

koginam · March 12, 2009, 12:13 AM

Teddy Jacobson is one of the best in smoothing out the action of nearly any handgun, Jeweling is one of his specialties. I have been a gunsmith for more than 30+ years and if I was going to carry a revolver I would have it worked on by him. not because I gouldn't do it but because he is that good.
http://www.actionsbyt.com/

Casimer · March 12, 2009, 01:31 AM

Jeweling is intended to provide a better surface for lubricant to adhere to. But it's also performed to provide a decorative pattern on external surfaces.

Rmac58 · March 12, 2009, 01:45 AM

I learn something new every day!
Thanks folks.

yanges · March 12, 2009, 10:38 AM

Thanks koginam!!!!

Teddy is the guy who did my revolver! it fired nicely when i bought it, but after Teddy worked on it, it was smooth as butter when firing! He is the Best!!

take a look on his About Us page and you will see what his complete action job is.

James K · March 12, 2009, 02:13 PM

Jewelling in guns usually has nothing to do with using jewels as bearings like in a watch. I can't say that could not be done, but I certainly have never heard of it. Gun "jewelling" is what is sometimes called engine turning. The process involves putting a round rubber or plastic tip (like a pencil eraser) impregnated with an abrasive into a drill press and bringing the tip down on the metal, cutting shallow rings into the metal. By overlapping these rings, a nice pattern can be created. Jewelling was originally used on gun interiors to hold oil, but today is usually used on visible surfaces for decoration.

It usually has little or nothing to do with smoothness, and in fact can make an action rougher if used in the wrong place, but its presence can mean that a gunsmith has given a action special care and attention.

One drawback is that in some places, like rifle bolts or revolver hammers, any rubbing of the part will score or "smear" the shallow jewelling and the result (IMHO) will look worse than if there were no jewelling at all.

Jim

Pahoo · March 13, 2009, 09:41 AM

Jim Keenan, (Good Read)
He's is right one the money. I and others, have done "jewelling" on 10/22 bolts and this application, it is strictly cosmetic.

Be Safe !!!

orchidhunter · March 13, 2009, 10:28 AM

One of my varied associates sells jewels just for this, just let me know, and I will give you there contact info. orchidhunter

James K · March 13, 2009, 01:49 PM

Hi, Orchidhunter,

I assume you mean jewels for use as bearings in a gun.* It is interesting to know that such a thing exists, since I had not heard of it. I would think jewels might not be up to the mechanics of a firearm, but some folks I am sure would be willing to try. Where would the jewels be in, say, a S&W Model 686? And what would the cost be for a full set either installed or with installation instructions?

*Jewels can be inset into firearms or stocks, and that was a fairly common practice in the past, but was also strictly cosmetic.

Jim

orchidhunter · March 13, 2009, 04:11 PM

JK, I think the OP was just haveing some fun with you folks, as was I. orchidhunter

yanges · March 13, 2009, 04:23 PM

this is an excerpt from Teddys web site:

Our Complete Action Job prepares a handgun for street carry. The handgun is completely disassembled and each part including the frame is deburred. smoothed out, polished, and mated properly in order to achieve a refined glass smooth action. All trigger engagements are cut with a jig, and the finest Ruby, Ceramic and Arkansas stones are used. We polish the breech face of all semi auto pistols to a mirror finish. We use the finest diamond abrasives on super hard steel. We jewel interior parts & frames when necessary to better hold lubrication. We take no short cuts, our complete action job is the ultimate in refinement. We do not offer different levels of refinement at different prices. Over 50% of our work is for police. We give all Law Enforcement a 10% police discount. All Law Enforcement guns get top priority. Our guns are on duty with the thin blue line everyday and night nationwide and reliability is paramount.

i had seen Teddy mention ruby, ceramic and arkansas stones - what are the stones mentioned here used for? it looks to me that he rebuilds the trigger engagement along with other action work?

ActivShootr · March 14, 2009, 05:42 PM

The stones are for polishing/deburring metal.

dogzilla · March 19, 2009, 12:04 AM

getting the action in my revolver

REVOLVERS DONT HAVE "ACTIONS"

THEY DO HOWEVER..HAVE A FRAME, CYLINDER, BARREL, TRIGGER, HAMMER..

SOOOOO.. WHAT PARTICULAR PART DO YOU WANT JEWELED ?

GOOD.. NOW CALL BROWNELLS..AND ORDER A JEWELING KIT.. ITS A
DO IT YOURSELF KIT...

HAVE FUN

Bill DeShivs · March 19, 2009, 01:26 AM

Dogzilla- Maybe you should just read a little while, rather than posting inaccuracies. Guns do have inner workings that have been traditionally called "actions".

James K · March 19, 2009, 09:10 PM

The stones mentioned (ruby, ceramic, Arkansas) are simply varieties of hard stones used for polishing and smoothing metal parts. The "jeweling" is what I and others described, used to retain lubricant. In other words, he is really just polishing parts like every other gunsmith that does action work or "trigger jobs" as they are sometimes called.

Never having seen any of Mr. Jacobson's work, I cannot comment on how good it is, but too much in the way of such work can result in guns that have a small problem - they don't fire. I have seen several, one of which cost the owner almost $2000 in gunsmith charges. Fortunately, it was his pin gun, not a defense gun, but the bowling pins did not fall down when he clicked at them.

Jim

March 11, 2009, 05:37 PM	#1
yanges Member Join Date: March 11, 2009 Location: San Fernando Valley Posts: 19	jeweled action for revolver is ther anyone who does gun work on here? i am thinking of getting the action in my revolver jeweled. Thanks!!

March 11, 2009, 06:08 PM	#4
kraigwy Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11,061	I use to do it when I had a gunsmith shop, I'm not in the business but still do mine and for friends. Its really a simple process. Any gun smith that does jeweling on bolts can do it. It looks nice, but what really counts is its functionable. Makes the action smother. Jeweling is nothing more then little tiny scratches in swirl motions that catch and hold oils, protecting the gun and making it smother. __________________ Kraig Stuart CPT USAR Ret USAMU Sniper School Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071

March 11, 2009, 06:36 PM	#5
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,979	Jeweling is a surface pattern. It has nothing to do with gems and jewels. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

March 12, 2009, 10:38 AM	#11
yanges Member Join Date: March 11, 2009 Location: San Fernando Valley Posts: 19	Thanks koginam!!!! Teddy is the guy who did my revolver! it fired nicely when i bought it, but after Teddy worked on it, it was smooth as butter when firing! He is the Best!! take a look on his About Us page and you will see what his complete action job is. Last edited by yanges; March 12, 2009 at 07:59 PM.

March 19, 2009, 12:04 AM	#19
dogzilla Junior Member Join Date: March 1, 2009 Posts: 12	getting the action in my revolver getting the action in my revolver REVOLVERS DONT HAVE "ACTIONS" THEY DO HOWEVER..HAVE A FRAME, CYLINDER, BARREL, TRIGGER, HAMMER.. SOOOOO.. WHAT PARTICULAR PART DO YOU WANT JEWELED ? GOOD.. NOW CALL BROWNELLS..AND ORDER A JEWELING KIT.. ITS A DO IT YOURSELF KIT... HAVE FUN __________________ U.S. Air Force Ret. NightStalkers/ERT Bowhunter Politically Incorrect SOB Professional Liberal Basher NRA-Member Registered Constitutional Party Mbr

March 11, 2009, 05:52 PM	#2
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	Yes there are real "smiffs" on this board. Is jeweled like a jeweled movement in a watch where rubies are the bearings? Brent

March 11, 2009, 06:01 PM	#3
yanges Member Join Date: March 11, 2009 Location: San Fernando Valley Posts: 19	i had a revolver 'jeweled' a few years ago - it is taken apart and jewels added to key parts for extra smooth action! i thought i had found the person on this site a few years back and was hoping he was still around.

March 11, 2009, 06:40 PM	#6
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	so what I know as "engine spun" or "machine spun" pattern which is generally 2 inch or so but the little circles on polished bolts that I thought was decorative only? thanks for adding a new word to my vocabulary. Now I can re-subscibe to readers digest hoping it comes up in the enrich your word power... Brent

March 11, 2009, 07:51 PM	#7
yanges Member Join Date: March 11, 2009 Location: San Fernando Valley Posts: 19	Thanks for clarifying what jeweling is everyone! it definitely smoothes things up! i have heard law enforcement officers like to get it done as it makes the gun more reliable too...

March 12, 2009, 12:13 AM	#8
koginam Member Join Date: August 3, 2006 Posts: 20	Teddy Jacobson is one of the best in smoothing out the action of nearly any handgun, Jeweling is one of his specialties. I have been a gunsmith for more than 30+ years and if I was going to carry a revolver I would have it worked on by him. not because I gouldn't do it but because he is that good. http://www.actionsbyt.com/

March 12, 2009, 01:31 AM	#9
Casimer Senior Member Join Date: April 23, 2007 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 1,918	Jeweling is intended to provide a better surface for lubricant to adhere to. But it's also performed to provide a decorative pattern on external surfaces.

March 12, 2009, 01:45 AM	#10
Rmac58 Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2008 Location: central Va Posts: 182	I learn something new every day! Thanks folks.

March 12, 2009, 02:13 PM	#12
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Jewelling in guns usually has nothing to do with using jewels as bearings like in a watch. I can't say that could not be done, but I certainly have never heard of it. Gun "jewelling" is what is sometimes called engine turning. The process involves putting a round rubber or plastic tip (like a pencil eraser) impregnated with an abrasive into a drill press and bringing the tip down on the metal, cutting shallow rings into the metal. By overlapping these rings, a nice pattern can be created. Jewelling was originally used on gun interiors to hold oil, but today is usually used on visible surfaces for decoration. It usually has little or nothing to do with smoothness, and in fact can make an action rougher if used in the wrong place, but its presence can mean that a gunsmith has given a action special care and attention. One drawback is that in some places, like rifle bolts or revolver hammers, any rubbing of the part will score or "smear" the shallow jewelling and the result (IMHO) will look worse than if there were no jewelling at all. Jim

March 13, 2009, 09:41 AM	#13
Pahoo Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 2006 Location: IOWA Posts: 8,783	Jim Keenan, (Good Read) He's is right one the money. I and others, have done "jewelling" on 10/22 bolts and this application, it is strictly cosmetic. Be Safe !!!

March 13, 2009, 10:28 AM	#14
orchidhunter Junior member Join Date: December 1, 2008 Posts: 320	One of my varied associates sells jewels just for this, just let me know, and I will give you there contact info. orchidhunter

March 13, 2009, 01:49 PM	#15
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Hi, Orchidhunter, I assume you mean jewels for use as bearings in a gun.* It is interesting to know that such a thing exists, since I had not heard of it. I would think jewels might not be up to the mechanics of a firearm, but some folks I am sure would be willing to try. Where would the jewels be in, say, a S&W Model 686? And what would the cost be for a full set either installed or with installation instructions? *Jewels can be inset into firearms or stocks, and that was a fairly common practice in the past, but was also strictly cosmetic. Jim

March 13, 2009, 04:11 PM	#16
orchidhunter Junior member Join Date: December 1, 2008 Posts: 320	JK, I think the OP was just haveing some fun with you folks, as was I. orchidhunter

March 13, 2009, 04:23 PM	#17
yanges Member Join Date: March 11, 2009 Location: San Fernando Valley Posts: 19	this is an excerpt from Teddys web site: Our Complete Action Job prepares a handgun for street carry. The handgun is completely disassembled and each part including the frame is deburred. smoothed out, polished, and mated properly in order to achieve a refined glass smooth action. All trigger engagements are cut with a jig, and the finest Ruby, Ceramic and Arkansas stones are used. We polish the breech face of all semi auto pistols to a mirror finish. We use the finest diamond abrasives on super hard steel. We jewel interior parts & frames when necessary to better hold lubrication. We take no short cuts, our complete action job is the ultimate in refinement. We do not offer different levels of refinement at different prices. Over 50% of our work is for police. We give all Law Enforcement a 10% police discount. All Law Enforcement guns get top priority. Our guns are on duty with the thin blue line everyday and night nationwide and reliability is paramount. i had seen Teddy mention ruby, ceramic and arkansas stones - what are the stones mentioned here used for? it looks to me that he rebuilds the trigger engagement along with other action work?

March 14, 2009, 05:42 PM	#18
ActivShootr Senior Member Join Date: August 15, 2007 Posts: 1,040	The stones are for polishing/deburring metal.

March 19, 2009, 01:26 AM	#20
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,979	Dogzilla- Maybe you should just read a little while, rather than posting inaccuracies. Guns do have inner workings that have been traditionally called "actions". __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

March 19, 2009, 09:10 PM	#21
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	The stones mentioned (ruby, ceramic, Arkansas) are simply varieties of hard stones used for polishing and smoothing metal parts. The "jeweling" is what I and others described, used to retain lubricant. In other words, he is really just polishing parts like every other gunsmith that does action work or "trigger jobs" as they are sometimes called. Never having seen any of Mr. Jacobson's work, I cannot comment on how good it is, but too much in the way of such work can result in guns that have a small problem - they don't fire. I have seen several, one of which cost the owner almost $2000 in gunsmith charges. Fortunately, it was his pin gun, not a defense gun, but the bowling pins did not fall down when he clicked at them. Jim

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