Does the 2nd apply to the states - Page 6

brickeyee · July 3, 2010, 01:06 PM

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Why not? That is precisely what a sufficient majority of Americans can do under Article V of the Constitution. The only thing that precludes that end is obtaining a sufficient majority of people whose moral compasses have shifted far enough from what prevails today.

It is a super majority, not a simple majority.

It was set up that way to make the process difficult, and requiring large amounts of public support.

Wildalaska · July 3, 2010, 01:42 PM

Ive read this whole thread and can only ask...

Whys is it still open

WildsomestrangethingsbeingsaidhereAlaska TM

Hugh Damright · July 3, 2010, 02:19 PM

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It is a super majority, not a simple majority.

It was set up that way to make the process difficult, and requiring large amounts of public support.

But 3/4 of the States can equate to a minority of the people. I think the "worst case" is that it would be about 40% of the people. Also, I think 95% of the people of the US might want an amendment but not equate to 3/4 of the States.

Some_Dude · July 3, 2010, 03:31 PM

Maestro?
Antipatis?

Are you guys researching the 14th Amendment? If you are maybe you can tell me if the following statement is true.

(I know I have read this before I just can't find a source to cite, and I don't want to assert something I can't prove. Since I can't prove it I will have to call it hearsay or rumor.)

When the 14th was "ratified" ,9 july 1868, 21 states ratified the amendment. Problem is at that time in American History 28 states were needed to meet the "3/4 of the several states" requirement. Can you help me out on this one? Thanks.

Later,
Some_Dude

pnac · July 3, 2010, 04:08 PM

Some-Dude, maybe this will help with your research of the 14th.

http://www.barefootsworld.net/14uncon.html

**Tom Servo** · July 3, 2010, 04:50 PM

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Ive read this whole thread and can only ask...

Why is it still open

Don't know, since the Supreme Court pretty much answered this question.

Not in the way I'd have preferred, but for all intents and purposes, it's been answered.

brickeyee · July 4, 2010, 09:14 AM

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But 3/4 of the States can equate to a minority of the people. I think the "worst case" is that it would be about 40% of the people. Also, I think 95% of the people of the US might want an amendment but not equate to 3/4 of the States.

There is not a perfect solution, but the system we have seems to beat out all the others.

'Better is the enemy of good enough.'

Gary L. Griffiths · July 4, 2010, 11:12 AM

Does now!

Al Norris · July 4, 2010, 11:49 AM

If anyone still thinks the 2A doesn't apply to the States ... Well, ya'll had your chance to say something about it.

SCOTUS has ruled it applies.

Asked, answered, and closed.

July 3, 2010, 04:08 PM	#130
pnac Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2008 Posts: 550	Some-Dude, maybe this will help with your research of the 14th. http://www.barefootsworld.net/14uncon.html __________________ In my hour of darkness In my time of need Oh Lord grant me vision Oh Lord grant me speed - Gram Parsons

July 4, 2010, 11:12 AM	#133
Gary L. Griffiths Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: AZ, WA Posts: 1,466	Does the 2nd apply to the states? Does now! __________________ Violence is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and valorous feeling which believes that nothing is worth violence is much worse. Those who have nothing for which they are willing to fight; nothing they care about more than their own craven apathy; are miserable creatures who have no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the valor of those better than themselves. Gary L. Griffiths (Paraphrasing John Stuart Mill)

July 3, 2010, 01:42 PM	#127
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	Ive read this whole thread and can only ask... Whys is it still open WildsomestrangethingsbeingsaidhereAlaska TM

July 3, 2010, 03:31 PM	#129
Some_Dude Junior Member Join Date: June 4, 2010 Posts: 13	Maestro? Antipatis? Are you guys researching the 14th Amendment? If you are maybe you can tell me if the following statement is true. (I know I have read this before I just can't find a source to cite, and I don't want to assert something I can't prove. Since I can't prove it I will have to call it hearsay or rumor.) When the 14th was "ratified" ,9 july 1868, 21 states ratified the amendment. Problem is at that time in American History 28 states were needed to meet the "3/4 of the several states" requirement. Can you help me out on this one? Thanks. Later, Some_Dude

July 4, 2010, 11:49 AM	#134
Al Norris Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 29, 2000 Location: Rupert, Idaho Posts: 9,660	If anyone still thinks the 2A doesn't apply to the States ... Well, ya'll had your chance to say something about it. SCOTUS has ruled it applies. Asked, answered, and closed.