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February 18, 2019, 02:47 PM | #76 |
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Prehaps Unclenick could prepare a slide demo on what takes place as the case is squeezed up into the full length resizer die? That might show why you cannot bump the shoulder back. Yes, you are resetting a shoulder, but not the same shoulder.
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Think about it. Take a case and measure the overall length. Now resize that case and measure the overall length again. You likely will notice the case is longer than your before measurement. This is why we resize and then trim. When we resize brass there is only one way the brass can go, that would be up. Go back and look at post #67 with a focus on where BBarn mentions: Quote:
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February 18, 2019, 05:15 PM | #78 | |
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F. Guffey And if the reloader knows how to size the case and understands head space of the chamber and length of the case from the shoulder to the case head the reloader can size the case to the perfect length when off setting the length of the chamber. F. Guffey |
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February 18, 2019, 06:57 PM | #79 |
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My Bad
Guys, I know what happens when I shove the case into the die, I know why I use my RCBS trimmer after sizing.
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February 18, 2019, 07:25 PM | #80 | |
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February 19, 2019, 06:20 AM | #81 |
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Quote: I didn't resize them. ^^^^ THIS ^^^^ Quote: Upon trying them in my AR10. . . , If you are using these in any way, shape, or form in a gas gun -- FULL LENGTH RESIZE* YOURSELF -- (die to contact +maybe 1/16 turn more to slightly cam-over/eliminate press spring)** * Use a good case lube/like RCBS or similar. ** Do not fool with "bumping" with that AR. WHAT HE SAID! |
February 19, 2019, 08:46 AM | #82 |
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Maybe another thread for the pilot diameter issue, length trimmer pilots are not an issue, the neck sizing trimmer pilots ?
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I explained to them I was trimming before sizing, (they did not understand), I explained to them my favorite case trimmer was the case trim/form die and I exolained to them the trim die was the most accurate. I also informed them I had pilots that were designed to be used with fired cases because the pilots would not fit the neck of a sized case. I was thinking some of those reloaders were too tense to reload, I suggested they relax. I did not know if they owned a case trimmer. Me? one of my first case trimmers has a case holder for sized and non sized cases and it does not use pilots, and I was thinking; these guys are going to need reloading therapist if they do not mature. F. Guffey |
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February 19, 2019, 01:09 PM | #85 |
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Do they have reloading therapist? That would be a great occupation.
While case forming and case trim dies can make for interesting conversation neither has any bearing on the subject matter of the thread at hand. The majority of reloaders present in this forum likely are not forming cases and the general rule of resize or size followed by trim would likely be more the rule than the exception. Maybe someone should start a thread on case forming be it using a die or fire form method would make for interesting discussion. That said I see no connection with the thread topic at hand. Interesting yes, relevant not so much. Ron |
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And then there are reloaders that get into mortal combat when they attempt to remove the pilot from the case; now that would not happen to me but once but we still have reloaders that insist the case must be sized before trimming. F. Guffey |
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February 19, 2019, 02:01 PM | #87 | |
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Measuring the length of the case from the end of the neck to the case head: I can measure the length of the case as fast as I can pick then up and put them down, that includes sorting. And then there is crimping; when crimping it is necessary to have cases with the same length. I have the RCBS case prep center. I also have air craft counter-sinks, if I hate do so something I do not do it, I have never complained about trimming even when I have had to trim 26" of brass from the necks every 100 cases I trim. F. Guffey |
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February 19, 2019, 02:15 PM | #88 |
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The OP resized the brass and all is well.
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February 19, 2019, 04:01 PM | #89 | |
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Dang, it looked like the same case coming out that went in.
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February 19, 2019, 04:47 PM | #90 |
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Scatterbrain,
The reason you trim after resizing is resizing is what extrudes the neck longer with some shoulder brass. See black dots in the image below start out on the body and shoulder, but wind up in the shoulder and neck, respectively.
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February 19, 2019, 06:31 PM | #91 |
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Thanks Unclenick for creating and contributing your diagrams. They are very helpful learning tool.
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February 19, 2019, 08:25 PM | #92 |
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A good picture is worth a thousand words, thank you, sir.
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February 19, 2019, 08:55 PM | #93 |
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FGuffey, serious question. Are you sometimes drunk when you post? Some of your posts are spot on, concise, and full of knowledge; but some are near mindless rambling?
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February 19, 2019, 09:13 PM | #94 |
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The OP resized the brass and all is well.
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If you do not understand just say "I do not understand". In the past as in before me there have been smiths, smiths working at arsenals that thought they were world class. Some of them were called 'Catfish', I understand that is a strange name for someone that thought he was world class other smiths working at the arsenal called him catfish because they thought he was all mouth and no head. F. Guffey |
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February 22, 2019, 09:53 AM | #97 | |
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That does not change when the reloaders starts to size a case. It is unfortunate bench resters starting taking them too seriously before they had a clue. Some of you reloaders have trouble correcting your friends. One looked at a drawing/animation of the sequences of events that start with the firing pin striking the primer; I asked him if he was omitting a sequence of two, I asked him if he was embellishing the story a little. I asked him if there was any chance he did not consider other factors. Anyhow? he had too many supporters to be mistaken. None of them understood him and he could not explain it. F. Guffey |
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Up at the top of the list Trophy Cats to pursue ,among Toads favorites was the Big Blue Catfish.In the context of Toad...well,its up to you and what you are trying to say ,I suppose,as to whether Blue Cat is the right catfish. In my experience,your common,small Bullhead has an annoying habit of showing up when you are really pursuing something else,wasting time by chewing the bait off your hook and sometimes fouling the line,then you have to reel in and start over. They muck up the water,too. Once again,I'm not sure quite what you are trying to say. There are Blues,Bullheads,Channels,shovelheads,etc. This young Woman Hannah is the real deal on catfishing https://youtu.be/m5f1v-fVQ-w Blue cat....If you take I-94 north out of Sheridan,Wyo,cross into Montana,you can pick up the Decker road.There is a big coal dragline up that way. You keep going on that road it will get you to Tongue Reservoir,but before you go that far,stop in at the Decker,Montana post office. Those folks have enough respect for Blue Catfish they have the state record Blue Cat stuffed and on display right there in the Deckers US Post office. That is a nice fish. I even know a 24 hr $5 leech vending machine a ways out ...quite a way out,north of Miles city. Heading to Charlie Russell Handy to know about. Last edited by HiBC; February 24, 2019 at 07:08 PM. |
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The male blue cat has a huge mouth in proportion to the rest of his body.
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