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June 20, 2018, 11:19 AM | #26 | |
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My Walther PPS was similar it was so tight from the factory it needed about 3 boxes of 124 grain Nato before it would easily run 115 grain crappy stuff. .........then there is Tula Brass max.........failed all the time in a VP9 I had......and a Glock 17..........and a P2000.........and a HiPower........and a SIG 226......hmmmm there was a pattern forming. I am convinced that stuff would jam up if dropped down a length of 4 inch PVC pipe.
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June 20, 2018, 12:16 PM | #27 |
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Thanks for the input. Always lots of knowledgeable people here.
I think I'm gonna go with a glock 22 gen 4. I just found out I can get blue label pricing on a new glock on account of being a Paramedic. Why Paramedics can get a glock LE discount I don't know, but I'm not complaining. This is gonna be a nightstand gun, so I kinda wanted either a safety or a longer DA trigger so I could keep a round chambered safely in case I'm fumbling around in the dark for my gun at zero dark thirty after being woken up from a dead sleep. I guess I could just keep the gun holstered in my nightstand and that could serve as a safety. |
June 20, 2018, 12:25 PM | #28 |
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It's not just an LE discount. There's a list of people applicable.
Honestly, I'd still call Glock. You have a pistol from a manufacturer and you know that pistol has functional issues. Your solution is to buy another such pistol from that manufacturer, albeit in a slightly larger size. That doesn't seem the most logical solution.
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June 20, 2018, 02:26 PM | #29 |
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Well the gun I'm looking to buy isn't necessarily meant to be a solution to my glock 23 problems.
Regardless of whether I get the 23 running fine I'd still like a second handgun, since the 23 is currently the only one I own. I might wind up sending the 23 to glock, for who knows how long. The thing is this, I've had about 5 FTEs out of a nearly 800 rounds shot. With different types of factory ammo and different bullet weights, and using different mags. The infrequency of the problem is what makes this hard to "fix". I didn't really see it as a gun problem until about the third time it happened, then I started to pay closer attention. 5 out of 800 is just often enough to have doubts about the gun, especially since previous to this id had maybe 2 malfunctions out of around 5000 rounds shot through several different handguns(not counting a friends jamomatic 1911 Kimber). Probably 2000 plus through glocks, with zero previous malfunctions. Could it be ammo caused? I doubt it but its possible. Could it be my grip? Again, doubtful as it was never an issue previously using other .40s, including my brothers older gen 3 .40. There's a very good chance if I sent it into glock they would put say 50 rounds through it and declare it fine. I think when I spoke to them on the phone they suggested ammo and or grip being the problem. I'm busy these days, working two stressful jobs, so I haven't really put much time or thought into the "problem". I probably will this summer. Meanwhile a second full size handgun wouldn't hurt. |
June 20, 2018, 02:57 PM | #30 | |
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If you want to pick up another handgun rock on. I don't think anyone on this forum is going to try to talk you out of purchasing a handgun.
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June 20, 2018, 04:27 PM | #31 | |
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OP, you passed on a gun that I still regret trading off (USP 40) for one that I couldn’t send off fast enough (G-22). But that’s OK! That HK DA trigger pull taught me more about trigger control than any of my revolvers ever did. All of the options discussed here apply for dealing with a relatively heavy DA trigger, including learning how to stage that DA trigger. If you practice thumb-cocking the gun as you draw the pistol from your holster, you can ignore the DA from the get go. My 9mm P30, 9mm P2000, and HK45 are all v3 trigger variants, and you can believe these are 3 of the best guns I own!
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June 20, 2018, 05:31 PM | #32 |
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As HistoryJunky stated, the full-size USP DA trigger seems to be one of the worst handgun triggers I've ever tried. Also, unfortunately, the USP 9mm Compact. Otherwise I would have bought the 9mm version (for variety and carry) instead of an extra CZ compact. Just tried the HK P2000, along with the P30 and these are just as bad. These are brand-new retail examples. The original Unmodified Sig P6 is bad (Not the actual 225-it's much better), but at least it is a pretty consistent pressure, and even this still beats the USP and Compact. These USPs begin fairly heavy, but require a strange increase in finger pressure near the end of the DA trigger pull. Were it not for this unfortunate feature, I would bet that Far fewer HKs would be seen available from private owners on Armslist. My German-proofed Sigs' DA pulls are so much better than any of these three types of HK. |
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June 22, 2018, 04:48 PM | #34 |
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As a person who hasn't examined these smaller components, it just seems unfortunate that, along with many others, my three German-proofed P series, plus the CZ PO1 and PCR have DA pulls which seem very consistent in DA. It might be a matter of internal frame space during initial prototype designs. |
June 22, 2018, 07:15 PM | #35 |
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The DA trigger pull is consistent. It gets stiff at that point every time. HK chose to use a very stiff firing pin block spring, stiffer than others. It's not a matter of frame space as the firing pin block isn't in the frame, it's in the slide. As was mentioned, the newer firing pin block springs are much lighter. That is also by design (the springs are visibly different).
You can get a USP trigger to pull the same as a SIG in terms of DA and SA weight. I've done it multiple times with spring swaps. Why isn't it that way from the factory? I don't know. Some German elf knows better than me.
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June 24, 2018, 04:40 PM | #36 |
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Thanks. The work to change the correct HK spring(s) appeared fairly challenging in YouTube videos. If it isn't, I would really enjoy having one in the future. |
June 24, 2018, 06:19 PM | #37 | |
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I'm not saying this to be some butt hurt fanboy. I've owned HKs, SIGs, and CZs and done full disassemblies on all of them. The USP is surprisingly easy. Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk Last edited by TunnelRat; June 24, 2018 at 06:26 PM. |
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June 25, 2018, 01:16 AM | #38 |
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I had a stainless Hk USP with a DA trigger as a duty weapon way back when. I carried it for a while, but I finally couldn't take the "crunchy" trigger anymore. I used to shoot a lot back then, but it never seemed to smooth out even after 1,000 rounds or so. It has been a while now, but I still remember it had the worst trigger out of the 9 duty weapons I carried.
I sold it to another officer who carried it for a long time, and as far as I know, he never complained about the trigger. For me, it wasn't the case. |
June 25, 2018, 01:17 AM | #39 |
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