I'm so angry at S&W, are there firearm lemon laws? - Page 4

sarge912 · July 28, 2019, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyHarold

Pictures of the barrel. It’s like this down all 7.5 inches of rifling.

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I am curious to know what you used to take this picture.
Camera? Phone? How did you light up the barrel interior?

**44 AMP** · July 29, 2019, 01:55 AM

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Just curious...how is a frame rebuilt?

Generally its not. The original maker can replace the frame with a new unnumbered one, and mark it with the serial # of the customer's gun, and legally its still the customer's gun.

So, if the maker replaces the frame with another one, but marks the new one with the original's serial number (and destroys the defective original) it is still considered a repair of the customer's gun.

If they give you a new gun with its own serial#, that is not a repair of the customer's gun, it is a replacement of the customer's gun and slightly different legal rules apply.

DirtyHarold · July 29, 2019, 02:05 PM

I’m 99.9999999% sure it will be a different serial number. If it is the same they wouldn’t be sending it to an FLL. The last time I sent it in they replaced EVERYTHING but the frame, including the barrel they just replaced which was okay but the new barrel they put on is why I had the next issue.

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Originally Posted by sarge912

I am curious to know what you used to take this picture.

Camera? Phone? How did you light up the barrel interior?

Just an iPhone 6S camera and a plain flashlight down the muzzle

I zoomed and cropped the photo once take.

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David R · July 29, 2019, 02:09 PM

I baought a new Bulldog. Blew it up in a day with some one elses reloads. Called charter, they replaced it free. They had to send the new gun with a different serial number to my FFL so It would be recorded properly.
David

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Carmady · July 29, 2019, 03:02 PM

S&W replaced the frame on my 642 with a new one which had a new serial number; had to ship to a FFL.

agtman · July 29, 2019, 03:47 PM

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Yesterday I got a call telling me that I will be getting a replacement. I'm glad Smith is finally doing the right thing. Just hoping that this one is a good one.

Well, follow-up with us on this. 'Cause it sounds like you got a good hosing w/o vaseline the first time around.

Hopefully the gun S&W is sending you won't be a second lemon.

If it is, then you need to maintain a manly composure, get the checkbook out, lawyer-up, .... and hold on for the ride.

buck460XVR · July 29, 2019, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by agtman

Well, follow-up with us on this. 'Cause it sounds like you got a good hosing w/o vaseline the first time around.

I was under the impression that the first issues with the gun, were simply cosmetic and would have been easily avoided had he actually inspected the gun before accepting it and taking it home. While this does not vindicate S&W, had the OP not originally picked the lemon himself, he wouldn't had to have drunk the lemonade.

I'm thinkin' S&W knows the OP would have a hard time ever really warming up to his original purchase no matter what they did to it(I know I would) and decided that replacing the gun itself with a better specimen would be the smart way to go. Could also be they found something else wrong with the firearm/frame that made it dangerous to return due to liability.

Hopefully they has someone look at the replacement very closely before they boxed it up.

robmkivseries70 · July 30, 2019, 01:05 PM

I am interested to see how this turns out.

DirtyHarold · August 3, 2019, 06:24 PM

I took delivery of my replacement, and this one is as it should be. This one seems like it was manufactured properly and it functions like a normal gun, which was all I ever wanted since the day I bought the first one.

Is it possible to update the original post and title on this forum or no?

HighValleyRanch · August 6, 2019, 11:34 AM

Just go back to your original post and hit the edit button and you will able to change the title.

18DAI · August 6, 2019, 07:53 PM

See, s&w "will make it right!"...... the 2nd or 3rd time.

Regards 18DAI

ThomasT · August 14, 2019, 05:19 PM

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Just go back to your original post and hit the edit button and you will able to change the title.

After a certain amount of time has passed you can no longer edit your post. The OP is old enough I doubt it can be edited now.

GarandTd · August 14, 2019, 06:37 PM

There is no need to edit the original post. You had a bad experience with a S&W revolver. That really happened, didn't it? You were angry, weren't you? They made it right, eventually. This thread is the record of that journey.

DirtyHarold · August 15, 2019, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GarandTd

There is no need to edit the original post. You had a bad experience with a S&W revolver. That really happened, didn't it? You were angry, weren't you? They made it right, eventually. This thread is the record of that journey.

That is an excellent point. The the past won’t change, so I won’t make my post change either.

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pcxxxx42 · February 20, 2020, 10:26 PM

Looks like the last Savage Axis II I bought in 270 Win?

Chamber and barrel cut with a pipe tap?

I mean, I have modestly priced ARs from Palmetto, and the lead, barrel are awesome.

How do people make this garbage and stay in business????

Carmady · February 20, 2020, 10:42 PM

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How do people make this garbage and stay in business????

Brand name recognition.

pcxxxx42 · February 20, 2020, 10:53 PM

Well, sure.

OTOH, take a gander at my SW629 8.25" revolver.

Looks like CR*P inside, but shoots like a house afire.

I have never cleaned the barrel, shoot mostly very hard cast full tilt boogie GC rounds. I occasionally run a jacketed bullet thru it to strip out the lead? Well I guess that works.

This gun has well over 600 rounds thru it. Not lots of fouling

I can't seem to get images in here, so here are a couple self-descriptive files of the barrel from my modestly priced Teslong bore scope....

Once again, it looks terrible, shoots crazy straight:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2e8hwuslw...zJ2oniGza?dl=0

rc · February 21, 2020, 12:28 AM

Looks like they hammered the button through the barrel without lube or something. Definitely a defective barrel. I would ask for a refund and move on to something else. rc

Kreyzhorse · February 21, 2020, 08:08 PM

Glad they finally took care of you.

silvermane_1 · February 27, 2020, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyHarold

Pictures of the barrel. It’s like this down all 7.5 inches of rifling.

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Wow, I'm pretty darn sure that rifling isn't supposed to looked like that.

Classic12 · March 18, 2020, 09:25 AM

I bought 12 S&W over the last 30 years, some new, most second hand. The youngest one is built in 1994, there’s gotta be a good reason for that (and I’m not buying a gun with a lock, I’m not a kid).

baddarryl · March 28, 2020, 10:29 AM

Please delete.

Forte S+W · March 28, 2020, 12:12 PM

I own a Taurus Judge which cost me about $400 and the rifling looks better than that, smoother, cleaner, and yet more refined, which is saying something considering that the Judge has intentionally shallow rifling so that it doesn't cause the shot to spread out as much.

Did Smith & Wesson ever even attempt to explain what could have gone wrong with that barrel?

ammo.crafter · April 27, 2020, 11:05 AM

If you have an attorney in the family (at no charge) perhaps a letter from same would motivate S&W to do the right thing.

Nathan · April 27, 2020, 11:57 AM

Thanks for the whole story.

I would like to see a picture of the new ones rifling....I’d bet it is similar.

August 6, 2019, 11:34 AM	#85
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August 6, 2019, 07:53 PM	#86
18DAI Senior Member Join Date: September 30, 2005 Location: NC Posts: 2,156	See, s&w "will make it right!"...... the 2nd or 3rd time. Regards 18DAI __________________ S&W Model 19 Combat Magnum. Everything you need in a revolver, and nothing you don't.

August 14, 2019, 06:37 PM	#88
GarandTd Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2016 Location: Rural PA Posts: 1,639	There is no need to edit the original post. You had a bad experience with a S&W revolver. That really happened, didn't it? You were angry, weren't you? They made it right, eventually. This thread is the record of that journey. __________________ 22lr, 20 gauge, 8mm Mauser, 35 Remington, 30-06, 5.56x45/223, 9mm, 380acp

February 20, 2020, 10:26 PM	#90
pcxxxx42 Member Join Date: August 28, 2012 Location: In AZ, Where Free Men Live Posts: 51	Looks like the last Savage Axis II I bought in 270 Win? Chamber and barrel cut with a pipe tap? I mean, I have modestly priced ARs from Palmetto, and the lead, barrel are awesome. How do people make this garbage and stay in business???? __________________ NRA & CRPA Life Member for over 35 years

February 20, 2020, 10:53 PM	#92
pcxxxx42 Member Join Date: August 28, 2012 Location: In AZ, Where Free Men Live Posts: 51	Well, sure. OTOH, take a gander at my SW629 8.25" revolver. Looks like CRP inside, but shoots like a house afire. I have never cleaned the barrel, shoot mostly very hard cast full tilt boogie GC rounds. I occasionally run a jacketed bullet thru it to strip out the lead? Well I guess that works. This gun has well over 600 rounds thru it. Not lots of fouling I can't seem to get images in here, so here are a couple self-descriptive files of the barrel from my modestly priced Teslong bore scope.... Once again, it looks terrible, shoots crazy straight: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2e8hwuslw...zJ2oniGza?dl=0 __________________ NRA & CRPA Life Member for over 35 years Last edited by pcxxxx42; February 20, 2020 at 11:06 PM.*

July 29, 2019, 02:09 PM	#79
David R Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2015 Location: The swamps of WNY Posts: 753	I baought a new Bulldog. Blew it up in a day with some one elses reloads. Called charter, they replaced it free. They had to send the new gun with a different serial number to my FFL so It would be recorded properly. David Sent from my SM-T900 using Tapatalk

July 29, 2019, 03:02 PM	#80
Carmady Senior Member Join Date: February 26, 2013 Location: on the lam Posts: 1,735	S&W replaced the frame on my 642 with a new one which had a new serial number; had to ship to a FFL.

July 30, 2019, 01:05 PM	#83
robmkivseries70 Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2005 Location: free territory Posts: 203	I am interested to see how this turns out.

August 3, 2019, 06:24 PM	#84
DirtyHarold Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2015 Posts: 158	I took delivery of my replacement, and this one is as it should be. This one seems like it was manufactured properly and it functions like a normal gun, which was all I ever wanted since the day I bought the first one. Is it possible to update the original post and title on this forum or no?

February 21, 2020, 12:28 AM	#93
rc Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2001 Location: CA Posts: 1,763	Looks like they hammered the button through the barrel without lube or something. Definitely a defective barrel. I would ask for a refund and move on to something else. rc

February 21, 2020, 08:08 PM	#94
Kreyzhorse Senior Member Join Date: April 12, 2006 Location: NKY Posts: 12,463	Glad they finally took care of you. __________________ "He who laughs last, laughs dead." Homer Simpson

March 18, 2020, 09:25 AM	#96
Classic12 Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2020 Posts: 696	I bought 12 S&W over the last 30 years, some new, most second hand. The youngest one is built in 1994, there’s gotta be a good reason for that (and I’m not buying a gun with a lock, I’m not a kid).

March 28, 2020, 10:29 AM	#97
baddarryl Senior Member Join Date: March 29, 2011 Location: Cape Fear! Posts: 1,683	Please delete. Last edited by baddarryl; March 28, 2020 at 12:37 PM. Reason: Posted elsewhere

March 28, 2020, 12:12 PM	#98
Forte S+W Senior Member Join Date: October 12, 2019 Posts: 819	I own a Taurus Judge which cost me about $400 and the rifling looks better than that, smoother, cleaner, and yet more refined, which is saying something considering that the Judge has intentionally shallow rifling so that it doesn't cause the shot to spread out as much. Did Smith & Wesson ever even attempt to explain what could have gone wrong with that barrel? __________________ Conspiracy theorists are the greatest political spin-doctors of all time. Only they can make the absolute worst political blunders sound like spectacular feats of ingenuity.

April 27, 2020, 11:05 AM	#99
ammo.crafter Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2006 Location: The Keystone State Posts: 1,970	Qc S&W If you have an attorney in the family (at no charge) perhaps a letter from same would motivate S&W to do the right thing. __________________ "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". --Thomas Jefferson

April 27, 2020, 11:57 AM	#100
Nathan Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2001 Posts: 6,325	Thanks for the whole story. I would like to see a picture of the new ones rifling....I’d bet it is similar.