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June 7, 2018, 09:28 PM | #26 |
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Yes, let's have a look at another "vet" shall we? Say, how about that "general", who
appeared to be all of 38 years old, weighed about 39 lbs soaking wet, and held an AR15 like it was a wet daisy as he was thrashing about, firing it in FULLY SEMI-Automatic MODE? |
June 8, 2018, 07:51 AM | #27 |
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I'm a Vietnam Combat Vet , why even take the bait , Just let it die.
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June 8, 2018, 08:09 AM | #28 |
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To us it is bait.
To the undecided it is someone possibly speaking from authority, false as it is.
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June 8, 2018, 09:24 AM | #29 | |
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People on both sides of the gun issue seem to equate vet = gun. |
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June 8, 2018, 10:11 AM | #31 |
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Exactly
Would it not be marvelous if garbage like this was subject to "peer review" prior to publication?
Twas said by a very wise man a long time ago. Freedom of the press requires owning a press. Nowadays everyone "owns" a press. That "press" (printing press) is of course the world wide web. Let's see footnotes for instance. Listing your references separates those that talk the talk, from those that walk the walk. This emperor has no clothes.
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June 8, 2018, 02:21 PM | #32 |
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Another poseur.
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June 8, 2018, 02:34 PM | #33 |
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Heck, I was a soldier for 15 years. I walked some of the same halls as some of these “experts” yet I didn’t consider myself a firearms “expert” when I got out. I was proficient in operating M2, M4, M9, M16... and so on. I definitely wasn’t an expert in civilian ownership of firearms. My real firearms knowledge came from my father and other great people like on this forum.
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And you are right, just being a veteran does not make you an expert on anything except finding your way to the chow hall. This backs up some research I read about many years ago, that most of the people who respond to polls have an axe to grind, and as such do not represent an unbiased sample of the population.
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Personally, I regard her claims to have commanded two "special operations" companies as examples of stolen valor. She's holding herself out to be a bad-ass combat soldier, when in reality she was a signal officer in a signal company in a signal battalion. In other words, a REMF. Last edited by Evan Thomas; June 9, 2018 at 10:42 AM. Reason: removed response to edited material. |
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June 9, 2018, 04:06 AM | #37 |
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To those who served, and especially the 'Nam vets who never really got that welcome home they deserved, thank you for your service.
I grew up with a grandfather who served with the AEF in France in 1918. He joked the only time his engineering company was issued live ammo for their rifles was after the war ended - the celebrations were WAY out of control! I never saw him with any firearms - he was a carpenter of much skill and that was what he did. almost up to the day he passed away. My stepfather was with the Troop Transport Command and manned the radio on a C-47 during the Normandy invasion. He had two firearms, never used. My father was Air Force during Korea. He had several firearms, and took us shooting quite often, gave me my love for shooting. I was Navy, and got my hero button for that one day war with Iran where we sank 3/4 of their fleet in 24 hours. Good day, that was. We had M14s, Remington 870s and 1911s on board ship, shot them when we qualified. Also had four Ruger Service Six 38 Specials, never did find out why. As a Gunners' Mate I spent a lot more time around small arms than most sailors, but still nowhere near any of the ground troops, not even close. I think 90% of my time was spent painting of needle gunning paint away to BE painted! I left the service with some knowledge, but the rest I gained on my own. I know many vets, and the ones I call friends are 100% pro firearms rights. I live in AZ and am totally comfortable with everything we do here, Constitutional Carry and all. |
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I've edited or deleted some posts. The appearance and personal life of the author are off-topic here.
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June 9, 2018, 07:30 PM | #39 | |
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The old saw of "accurate fire from the hip" and barrel shrouds being an evil feature were likely based upon videos from Miami Vice of Jim Zubiena using his off hand on the barrel shroud to try to control a MP9. Some gun control measures can be directly linked to the gun such as the ATF demanding an install of a metal serial number plate on polymer lowers and being an early gun banned by name in California. In addition to Columbine it has been used in a number of other mass shooting events, but never by any military. So why she would be an expert on it or have these strange ideas is yet another mystery.
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Interesting. Out vet that went to West Point claim's the bullet from the 5.56 is intentionally designed to slow down on impact to make it tumble. New one on me! Last I'd heard was that the bullet was intentionally made off center so it would tumble on impact. Before that I heard that if you got shot in the arm at 500yds with the 5.56 it would break every bone in your arm?
Every bullet slows down on impact! A bullet built out of balance probably couldn't hit the target! Break every bone in the arm at 500yds? I don't think a 30-06 could do that! |
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When Michael Bloomberg decided to throw his hat (and his money) in the gun-control arena, he went to marketing and focus groups to make sure people were using the most effective rhetoric. It's why we hear them using "gun safety" instead of "gun control." It's where the appeals to authority ("As a vet/mother/teacher/doctor...") come from, and it's why we keep hearing phrases like, "I support the 2nd Amendment, but..." It's all craven emotional manipulation, and they've honed it to a sharp point. It's also a clear indicator that they can't win the argument with any degree of intellectual honesty. Heck, at least she didn't go full semiauto.
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June 10, 2018, 03:52 PM | #42 |
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I find it interesting that the media generally regards Vets as poorly as raw sewage;
but then one of them takes a stance against guns, and they want to treat him like he's General Eisenhower... |
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I have many friends that served in 'Nam and in other various conflicts. Some are heavily pro-gun, some are heavily anti-gun, some are fairly neutral. Doesn't change the fact they all served. Some saw things young men should never see, others only saw the inside of the building they worked in. Seems those that saw what bullets did to folks have more of a hesitation to arming civilians like the military, even if they are pro-gun. While I respect those folks and their opinions......I don't always agree. Don't make either of us wrong. Vets, like all of us here in the U.S., have a right to their opinion and a right to express it. Just cause a vet says it, don't make it Gospel, whether it's pro-gun or anti. |
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She is, today, a civilian. She left after nine years, which means that she isn't a retired Captain, and she isn't an officer in the Army Reserve. She's a civilian. She is also a liar. She did NOT spend "countless days" on the range at West Point, "honing [her] skills." She did NOT learn that the 5.56x45 bullet was designed to slow down upon striking a target so as to tumble and to inflict maximum personal damage to the target. She did NOT command two special operations companies -- not in the context that any reader would interpret the term "special operations." And she did NOT learn that the weapons she had learned to use in the Army were used to kill students at Columbine -- because the killers didn't use M16s, or M79 or M203 grenade launchers, or M9 pistols. So she's a veteran. How much respect should we be giving her when she deliberately uses that status to pretend to be something more than she is (was), and to abuse that status to attack the Constitution? She has a right to be anti-gun. She doesn't have a right to tell lies and claim her status as a veteran as authority for the purported accuracy of her lies. Last edited by Aguila Blanca; June 11, 2018 at 01:43 AM. Reason: punctuation |
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Hmmm ...
Unrelated to the discussion of Ms. Margiotta, I went surfing to see if I could verify my recollection of how the chain of command works. And I came across this: https://www.part-time-commander.com/...-command-army/ What jumped out at me was the following: Quote:
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Commanding in the military is no simple thing no matter the unit.
But yes there would have been no SF or infantry soldiers under her command with the possible exception of certain leadership billets. For example I have seen a Special Forces Communication Sergeant as a First Sergeant in an attached signal unit that was composed of all signal support soldiers. This gives him leadership time and the unit is likely more responsive to the supported unit needs. If you wonder about the capabilities of a Special Forces Communications Team Sergeant I can tell you they pretty much go through all the same initial training and follow on training as the other members and are highly competent on much more than radios. I'd certainly take the word of one on guns over anything this woman has to say.
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June 11, 2018, 08:39 AM | #47 |
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I’m a veteran and I think free speech should be limited.
I’m a former military officer and I think we should not allow certain religions. I’m a vet I think you should be forced to house soldiers in your home. I commanded two special forces companies and I believe that your home can be searched by police and military at any time without warrants. I attended West Point military academy and I believe in voter suppression. The above phrases should be alarming to anyone. why is “I’m a vet and I think you shouldn’t be allowed to own guns” less alarming? |
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It is interesting that given the founders fear of standing armies, they’d use a former officer of the standing army to argue you shouldn’t be allowed to own rifles similar to what the military uses. Kind of “on the nose” if you ask me...
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June 11, 2018, 02:09 PM | #49 |
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The only vets I ever knew who disliked guns were the ones who were duds and troublemakers and probably received an OTH discharge. Or just ticket punching careerists. In years gone by requiring a disciplinary problem to clean the company weapons on a night or weekend or after a range session probably soured a lot of people.
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June 11, 2018, 03:46 PM | #50 |
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Thankfully its not unlawful to hold a wrong opinion, right?
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