US Hunter dies in New Zealand.

Death from Afar · May 22, 2006, 05:02 PM

http://stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3677325a10,00.html

Oh dear.

FirstFreedom · May 22, 2006, 06:16 PM

Egad, man!

Mannlicher · May 22, 2006, 07:10 PM

you always have to watch that first step. Boy, thats a bummer.

shureshot0471 · May 22, 2006, 08:04 PM

Thats a bad deal awalys need to watch ur step in the mountains weather u have been doining it for years or if you are a beginner.

rapier144 · May 22, 2006, 08:10 PM

Who hunts with the help of a helicopter? Talk about lazy.

Death from Afar · May 22, 2006, 08:21 PM

Rapier, if it is a choice between a 3000 ft climb and an hours hunting, or a chopper ride and a whole days hunting, I will take the chopper every time.

Byron Quick · May 23, 2006, 12:13 AM

Mountain valley with no roads and no access trails. Good hunting, though. You're not going to get there except by a helicopter.

rapier144 · May 23, 2006, 04:06 PM

I just think getting there is half the fun. But a lot of people want the easy way. That's fine for them. As for not getting there except by helicopter if an animal can walk there i can follow. May not be easy but i would enjoy it so much more and have a better memory to take with me. If i didn't get anything on that hunt so be it. Thats's what i consider to be part of the adventure not knowing if or when i will see game. Sorry if i stepped on anyones toes.

taylorce1 · May 23, 2006, 05:10 PM

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Who hunts with the help of a helicopter? Talk about lazy.

Helicopters and Bush Planes have been used for years to access remote wilderness areas in AK and NWT. The biggest reason we use this is the time factor, some areas would take you weeks if not months to hike into just to hunt. Unfortunately most of us cannot take the time out from work or the rest of our busy lives to do this so I don't see anything wrong with using Jeep, ATV, Plane, Helicopter, or Boat to get to a hunting area. Instead of being critical on the way the this person was hunting by helicopter, realize he could have just as easily fell if he had hiked up there. He was just trying to enjoy a hunt in a limited amount of time. Taking the lazy train of thought then using anything to hunt your animal besides a sharp pointy stick is lazy.

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I just think getting there is half the fun. But a lot of people want the easy way. That's fine for them. As for not getting there except by helicopter if an animal can walk there i can follow.

I understand what you are saying about if an animal can walk there why can't I. Think about this, for humans it isn't survival of the fittest and we are not adapted to live in the enviroments that most animals live in. I'll bet Mountain Goats can go places you can't without serious equipment.

**Rich Lucibella** · May 23, 2006, 05:22 PM

taylorce-
Thank you.

Rapier-
Here's a Little Taste of what you'd be, umm "walking into" to do that New Zealand hunt. And another

Inquiring minds want to know:
What's the toughest hunt you ever did?
What mode of transport did you use?
How long were you gone?
How much gear did you carry?
What did you bag?
How did you get the trophy back?

I'm interested in the logistics.
Rich

jonutarr · May 23, 2006, 05:56 PM

here's a better write up of what happened http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/st...ectID=10383094

the original one made it seem like he jumped off the helicopter mid flight which is not true!
yep "reporters" doing what they do best

rapier144 · May 23, 2006, 07:03 PM

I understand that you need transportation to the base camp. Then hunt out of there. From the way i understood the article it didn't sound like they were at a base camp as opposed to a ridge where the game was at. I have no problem using air transport to a main base camp. The articles left a little lee-way for interpretation. When the article said ridgeline i didn't picture a base camp on a ridge with a small enough area that you can't land a helicopter and setup a base camp in the same area safely. My interpretation was they used the helicopter to an unsportmans like advantage. Like using it to get very close to the shooting range of game. If i misinterperated the article sorry.

Spinner · May 31, 2006, 07:24 PM

Helicopters have been used for years in New Zealand for commercial meat hunting of deer, live capture of deer and "search and destroy" numbers control on goats, deer, thar and chamois. Wild animals learn real quickly about helicopters and such and now even the sound of a helicopter will have wild game animals getting the heck outa Dodge well before the chopper even gets in sight.

I doubt that the hunters were using the helicopter for anything other than transport to a hunting base, purely to save the time and effort of humping loads of gear up very steep and tricky terrain. If you're a paying hunter being guided I doubt you'd expect to be a pack mule for the first day or two of your expensive adventure.

guntotin_fool · June 5, 2006, 01:11 PM

one $1000 Dollar helo ride vs ten days on horseback,$50 per horse per day, plus guide $100 per day Plus days off of work getting in and out of there, all of a sudden the helo seems cheap.

I have used airplanes to hunt in the NWT, trying to find 'boo when they are migrating means searching a few hundred square miles. Never shot from one, never will, is my plan, the last time, had we not used an airplane to spot from, we would never have even seen boo as they were several days ahead of schedule and far from where we were looking. A T-craft costs about a $100 an hour or so to operate, can cover about 75 or so miles an hour versus maybe 4 miles an hour on foot or horseback.

FirstFreedom · June 5, 2006, 10:49 PM

What's a boo?

Death from Afar · June 5, 2006, 10:59 PM

Its a big aussie critter, with lots of teeth and claws and stuff. Eats children.

Spinner · June 13, 2006, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FirstFreedom

What's a boo?

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Originally Posted by Death from Afar

Its a big aussie critter, with lots of teeth and claws and stuff. Eats children.

Bwaaahahhahaaahhaaaahhahahaaaaaahhaaaaahaaaa *gasp* Bwaaahahaahahahahaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaa

Actually, I'm guessing its a Caribou since guntotin_fool was talking about migratory herds and "NWT" (which I assume is North West Territory .... of Canada).

May 22, 2006, 05:02 PM	#1
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May 22, 2006, 07:10 PM	#3
Mannlicher Senior Member Join Date: July 8, 2001 Location: North Central Florida & Miami Posts: 3,209	you always have to watch that first step. Boy, thats a bummer. __________________ Nemo Me Impune Lacesset "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.".........Ronald Reagan

May 22, 2006, 08:04 PM	#4
shureshot0471 Senior Member Join Date: October 1, 2005 Location: In the sticks of East Texas Posts: 185	Thats a bad deal awalys need to watch ur step in the mountains weather u have been doining it for years or if you are a beginner. __________________ "Prefection is not attainable,but if we chase perfection, we can catch excellence." -Vince Lombardi "Gun control is putting that second bullet through the same hole the first one made." - Ted Nugent

May 22, 2006, 08:10 PM	#5
rapier144 Senior Member Join Date: October 2, 2005 Location: tennessee Posts: 686	Who hunts with the help of a helicopter? Talk about lazy. __________________ Scan and Breathe Scan and Breathe Stupidity should hurt

May 22, 2006, 08:21 PM	#6
Death from Afar Senior Member Join Date: November 7, 2004 Location: Living the dream in Christchurch, NEW ZEALAND Posts: 1,635	Rapier, if it is a choice between a 3000 ft climb and an hours hunting, or a chopper ride and a whole days hunting, I will take the chopper every time. __________________ "Beware of the Man with one gun...he probably isnt into guns enough to be safe with it".

May 22, 2006, 06:16 PM	#2
FirstFreedom Junior member Join Date: May 31, 2004 Location: The Toll Road State, U.S.A. Posts: 12,451	Egad, man!

May 23, 2006, 12:13 AM	#7
Byron Quick Staff In Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Waynesboro, Georgia, USA Posts: 2,361	Mountain valley with no roads and no access trails. Good hunting, though. You're not going to get there except by a helicopter.

May 23, 2006, 04:06 PM	#8
rapier144 Senior Member Join Date: October 2, 2005 Location: tennessee Posts: 686	I just think getting there is half the fun. But a lot of people want the easy way. That's fine for them. As for not getting there except by helicopter if an animal can walk there i can follow. May not be easy but i would enjoy it so much more and have a better memory to take with me. If i didn't get anything on that hunt so be it. Thats's what i consider to be part of the adventure not knowing if or when i will see game. Sorry if i stepped on anyones toes. __________________ Scan and Breathe Scan and Breathe Stupidity should hurt

May 23, 2006, 05:22 PM	#10
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,229	taylorce- Thank you. Rapier- Here's a Little Taste of what you'd be, umm "walking into" to do that New Zealand hunt. And another Inquiring minds want to know: What's the toughest hunt you ever did? What mode of transport did you use? How long were you gone? How much gear did you carry? What did you bag? How did you get the trophy back? I'm interested in the logistics. Rich __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

May 23, 2006, 05:56 PM	#11
jonutarr Senior Member Join Date: April 17, 2006 Location: QLD Australia Posts: 112	here's a better write up of what happened http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/st...ectID=10383094 the original one made it seem like he jumped off the helicopter mid flight which is not true! yep "reporters" doing what they do best

May 23, 2006, 07:03 PM	#12
rapier144 Senior Member Join Date: October 2, 2005 Location: tennessee Posts: 686	I understand that you need transportation to the base camp. Then hunt out of there. From the way i understood the article it didn't sound like they were at a base camp as opposed to a ridge where the game was at. I have no problem using air transport to a main base camp. The articles left a little lee-way for interpretation. When the article said ridgeline i didn't picture a base camp on a ridge with a small enough area that you can't land a helicopter and setup a base camp in the same area safely. My interpretation was they used the helicopter to an unsportmans like advantage. Like using it to get very close to the shooting range of game. If i misinterperated the article sorry. __________________ Scan and Breathe Scan and Breathe Stupidity should hurt

May 31, 2006, 07:24 PM	#13
Spinner Member Join Date: May 18, 2004 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 35	Helicopters have been used for years in New Zealand for commercial meat hunting of deer, live capture of deer and "search and destroy" numbers control on goats, deer, thar and chamois. Wild animals learn real quickly about helicopters and such and now even the sound of a helicopter will have wild game animals getting the heck outa Dodge well before the chopper even gets in sight. I doubt that the hunters were using the helicopter for anything other than transport to a hunting base, purely to save the time and effort of humping loads of gear up very steep and tricky terrain. If you're a paying hunter being guided I doubt you'd expect to be a pack mule for the first day or two of your expensive adventure. __________________ Spinner Kia kaha

June 5, 2006, 01:11 PM	#14
guntotin_fool Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2004 Posts: 1,446	one $1000 Dollar helo ride vs ten days on horseback,$50 per horse per day, plus guide $100 per day Plus days off of work getting in and out of there, all of a sudden the helo seems cheap. I have used airplanes to hunt in the NWT, trying to find 'boo when they are migrating means searching a few hundred square miles. Never shot from one, never will, is my plan, the last time, had we not used an airplane to spot from, we would never have even seen boo as they were several days ahead of schedule and far from where we were looking. A T-craft costs about a $100 an hour or so to operate, can cover about 75 or so miles an hour versus maybe 4 miles an hour on foot or horseback.

June 5, 2006, 10:49 PM	#15
FirstFreedom Junior member Join Date: May 31, 2004 Location: The Toll Road State, U.S.A. Posts: 12,451	What's a boo?

June 5, 2006, 10:59 PM	#16
Death from Afar Senior Member Join Date: November 7, 2004 Location: Living the dream in Christchurch, NEW ZEALAND Posts: 1,635	Its a big aussie critter, with lots of teeth and claws and stuff. Eats children. __________________ "Beware of the Man with one gun...he probably isnt into guns enough to be safe with it".