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Old February 12, 2013, 10:03 AM   #1
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bullet tips "crushed in"

Im reloading 9mm 124gr x-treme plated bullets. When i seat and crimp, the tip of the bullet has been pressed slightly flat. Does anyone have any suggestions? Maybe i should flare the case a bit more perhaps?

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Old February 12, 2013, 10:06 AM   #2
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Separate your seating and crimping steps. The Lee Factory Crimp Die works well.
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Old February 12, 2013, 11:10 AM   #3
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I have 'oiled' the bullet's nose that I was having problems with, squirt a blob of 'Hot Glue' on. The oil lets the glue fall off. Trim the now solid clump of glue to fit inside of your seating die and use it as a seating buffer. If I don't trim too much, the glum will stay put most of the time.

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Old February 12, 2013, 11:04 PM   #4
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thanks, i like the glue buffer idea.
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Old February 12, 2013, 11:34 PM   #5
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Sounds like there is still downward movement of the bullet while the crimp is being applied. Separate the two steps - seat then crimp.

I primarily use plated and lead bullets and don't have an issue with bullet tip deformation with the two step process.

In the worse case; ie, the problem continues, some die makers will make you a custom seating die to match your bullet.
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Old February 13, 2013, 02:37 AM   #6
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I would ignore it if it's just practice ammo. I don't think accuracy would be affected, and you could just leave them a little short on OAL.

You could put a wad of tin foil in the seating die and let the noses form their own custom seating plug. I use that for seating some soft SWC's in .357.

I would not any extra flare to the case, that would reduce bullet tension and could lead to bullet set back during the feeding cycle in the pistol.
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Old February 13, 2013, 02:29 PM   #7
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well, my main concern is that i just might not be flaring enough to begin with. im very new to all of this.
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Old February 13, 2013, 02:50 PM   #8
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With 9mm and other auto pistol calibers it's very important not to over flare. As long as you are not shaving the plating off your bullets when you seat them, you have enough flare.
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Old February 13, 2013, 06:09 PM   #9
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ill have to pull some out and take a look. are there any "garage" methods for pullin these or should i just invest in a puller?

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Old February 13, 2013, 06:30 PM   #10
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You might be able to see evidence of too little flare without pulling the bullet.
If the flare is causing the problem, and it takes enough effort to seat the bullet to cause the damage to the nose, there might be evidence to see.
Like shavings around the mouth of the case or plating material between case and bullet body slightly below the mouth.
Plated bullets have much thinner material covering the lead than jacketed.
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Old February 13, 2013, 06:53 PM   #11
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If you are seeing what looks like a copper hair at the case mouth of your loaded rounds then you are shaving off plating.
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Old February 13, 2013, 06:59 PM   #12
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I would check to see if your die maker has another seater plug. Most make at least two options one for flat points and the other for round noses. Some seater plugs are reversible with one end for flat and the other for round.
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Old February 13, 2013, 07:51 PM   #13
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Im betting he has the wrong seater plug too. Exact same mistake I made.
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Old February 13, 2013, 09:25 PM   #14
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ive got the rcbs 9mm luger standard seating lug. in the package was an additional one but for .38.
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Old February 14, 2013, 01:52 AM   #15
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I would try less crimp first, with soft nose HP I seat and crimp separately.
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are there any "garage" methods for pullin these or should i just invest in a puller?
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Old February 14, 2013, 03:24 AM   #16
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No need to pull any bullets.
When you scrape or 'skin' a plated bullet a section of the plating will wad up and will be stuck to the bullet at the rim. Just take a look, if it's happening, you'll see it.

The first time it happened to me I didn't catch it and it made it's way into my .38 Super 1911 making it jam out of battery.

I don't worry about finding fine brass hairs, I see them more with jacketed bullets and they don't seem to hurt anything.

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Old February 14, 2013, 10:07 AM   #17
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nice homemade bullet puller jibjab!
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Old February 14, 2013, 01:04 PM   #18
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ha thats a cool little puller, is that the case holder for the priming tool?
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Old February 14, 2013, 01:38 PM   #19
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looks to be just a shell holder
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Old February 15, 2013, 12:31 PM   #20
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Yes, it's a shell holder.
I use it when I'm adjusting my seating die, often I go to far and this works well to lengthen the COL.
It will pull a bullet but it gets pretty messy.
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I was thinking you could just rubberband a bag on the end. Look like a crazy hobo but would get the job done.
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