Refinishing in black

Clevinger · March 28, 2009, 02:55 PM

If you like metallic colors, you have options like NP3 that supposedly last forever and look good.

If you want to refinish something in black, however, what are your options? What is the toughest black coating you can get for refinishing?

scorpion_tyr · March 28, 2009, 03:46 PM

I used Brownell's Baking Laquer on a shotgun a few weeks ago. I don't know if it's the toughest, I haven't put it through much since then. I just know it was pretty easy and it looks great.

IZinterrogator · March 28, 2009, 04:11 PM

Ionbond DLC.

Croz · March 28, 2009, 04:42 PM

Might also check out Duracoat from Lauer Custom Weaponry.

Tom2 · March 28, 2009, 07:04 PM

The black coating on several guns seems to be pretty tough. Like on Glocks and Sigs and maybe even the black on Berettas. You can get a hard chrome that is black, called blackchrome. The infamous or famous Fords refinishing can do black chrome. But it is a glossy finish, I think. For cheap and reasonably durable you can have parkerising done in black, too. Nice matte black color. Spray on polymers can be pretty tough but they are not apparently chemically bonded to the metal like blueing or parkerising. I am doubtful something you get out of a spray can is gonna last as long as a pro finish. Especially if it is not baked on at high temps.

publius · March 28, 2009, 07:11 PM

Tenifer is probably the toughest, but I like Birdsong's Black-T. It is teflon based and will scratch if raked across a barbed wire fence, but it's pretty tough and is smooth working b/c of the Teflon. A lot of the Special Force's guns are Black-T.

scorpion_tyr · March 28, 2009, 09:03 PM

I don't know what it is, but the black coating on my Para Ordance "Big Hawg" is not tough at all. To make a long story short I was in a situation where I legally had to lock my guns in a small combination lock box. I didn't expect to get into that situation so I only had the one box. I put both my FNP-40 and my Big Hawg into the box. When they came out a few days later the Big Hawg was scratched and dinged up. Not too bad, but obvious. The FNP-40 didn't have a mark on it. If you can find out what FN uses on it, try for something like that, it's pretty good.

IMTHDUKE · March 28, 2009, 09:20 PM

glockopop · March 29, 2009, 12:18 AM

IonBond DLC. Seriously.

http://www.brianenos.com/forums/inde...c=46597&st=350

Bill DeShivs · March 29, 2009, 01:10 AM

The "gun paints" are just that- paints.
Ionbond or any of the applied nitride coatings are superior to any other finish.

cguedr · March 29, 2009, 11:15 AM

Isn't Roguard by Robar supposed to be a tough finish.

http://www.robarguns.com/roguard.htm

Or possibly a Melonite finish?

http://www.coalcreekarmory.com/custom_finishing.html

Mr Odd Six · March 29, 2009, 11:37 AM

I did my M1 is an ionbond type milspec coating.

It rusted bad.

I did several others in Duracoat.

Not a hint of rust, anywhere.

All stored in the same place for years.

glockopop · March 29, 2009, 03:51 PM

Quote:

ionbond type

(emphasis added)

The DLC stands for "Diamond Like Coating". I've actually seen someone scrape a knife down the side of a gun's slide and then wipe off the mark it left with a cloth.

Mr Odd Six · March 29, 2009, 03:57 PM

The milspec coating I have is tough as nails. You have to sand blast it off.

When I had it done, the guy told me I could plug the barrel and set the rifle in a river, come back in a year and it would not rust.

Well Mine was stored in a case in a safe, and it rusted big time.

Ill stick with the duracoat

Shadi Khalil · March 29, 2009, 03:58 PM

Whatever is on my 239 is really tough.

March 28, 2009, 02:55 PM	#1
Clevinger Senior Member Join Date: February 17, 2009 Posts: 407	Refinishing in black If you like metallic colors, you have options like NP3 that supposedly last forever and look good. If you want to refinish something in black, however, what are your options? What is the toughest black coating you can get for refinishing?

March 28, 2009, 03:46 PM	#2
scorpion_tyr Senior Member Join Date: November 10, 2008 Location: East Texas Posts: 1,326	I used Brownell's Baking Laquer on a shotgun a few weeks ago. I don't know if it's the toughest, I haven't put it through much since then. I just know it was pretty easy and it looks great. __________________ “Nature intended me for the tranquil pursuits of science, by rendering them my supreme delight.” - Thomas Jefferson

March 28, 2009, 04:11 PM	#3
IZinterrogator Senior Member Join Date: November 8, 2004 Location: Prescott Valley, AZ Posts: 2,457	Ionbond DLC. __________________ "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” - Samuel Adams

March 28, 2009, 07:04 PM	#5
Tom2 Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,676	The black coating on several guns seems to be pretty tough. Like on Glocks and Sigs and maybe even the black on Berettas. You can get a hard chrome that is black, called blackchrome. The infamous or famous Fords refinishing can do black chrome. But it is a glossy finish, I think. For cheap and reasonably durable you can have parkerising done in black, too. Nice matte black color. Spray on polymers can be pretty tough but they are not apparently chemically bonded to the metal like blueing or parkerising. I am doubtful something you get out of a spray can is gonna last as long as a pro finish. Especially if it is not baked on at high temps. __________________ Your gun is like your nose, it is just wrong for someone else to pick it for you!

March 28, 2009, 07:11 PM	#6
publius Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2005 Location: Mississippi/Texas Posts: 2,505	Tenifer is probably the toughest, but I like Birdsong's Black-T. It is teflon based and will scratch if raked across a barbed wire fence, but it's pretty tough and is smooth working b/c of the Teflon. A lot of the Special Force's guns are Black-T. __________________ "Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress, but I repeat myself." Mark Twain

March 28, 2009, 04:42 PM	#4
Croz Senior Member Join Date: December 9, 2008 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 307	Might also check out Duracoat from Lauer Custom Weaponry.

March 28, 2009, 09:03 PM	#7
scorpion_tyr Senior Member Join Date: November 10, 2008 Location: East Texas Posts: 1,326	I don't know what it is, but the black coating on my Para Ordance "Big Hawg" is not tough at all. To make a long story short I was in a situation where I legally had to lock my guns in a small combination lock box. I didn't expect to get into that situation so I only had the one box. I put both my FNP-40 and my Big Hawg into the box. When they came out a few days later the Big Hawg was scratched and dinged up. Not too bad, but obvious. The FNP-40 didn't have a mark on it. If you can find out what FN uses on it, try for something like that, it's pretty good. __________________ “Nature intended me for the tranquil pursuits of science, by rendering them my supreme delight.” - Thomas Jefferson

March 28, 2009, 09:20 PM	#8
IMTHDUKE Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2004 Location: Sweet Home Alabama Posts: 1,475	Same gun...different light... __________________ http://www.treasureislandbedandbreakfast.com Ed Brown Alpha Carry\| Sig P238, P938, P232, 1911 C3 \| Colt Defender, Mustang Pocketlite, 1911 \| Rohrbaugh R9 \| Browning, Buckmark 22LR(suppressed) \| Kahr PM9 Black Rose \| S&W\|M&P C.O.R.E RMR Trijicon \| Dan Wesson ECO

March 29, 2009, 12:18 AM	#9
glockopop Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2005 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 922	IonBond DLC. Seriously. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/inde...c=46597&st=350 __________________ I've only got two hands, but I've been known to carry three Glocks. RZA

March 29, 2009, 01:10 AM	#10
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,981	The "gun paints" are just that- paints. Ionbond or any of the applied nitride coatings are superior to any other finish. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

March 29, 2009, 11:15 AM	#11
cguedr Senior Member Join Date: March 10, 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 144	Isn't Roguard by Robar supposed to be a tough finish. http://www.robarguns.com/roguard.htm Or possibly a Melonite finish? http://www.coalcreekarmory.com/custom_finishing.html

March 29, 2009, 11:37 AM	#12
Mr Odd Six Junior member Join Date: March 17, 2009 Location: Washingrad not DC Posts: 133	I did my M1 is an ionbond type milspec coating. It rusted bad. I did several others in Duracoat. Not a hint of rust, anywhere. All stored in the same place for years.

March 29, 2009, 03:57 PM	#14
Mr Odd Six Junior member Join Date: March 17, 2009 Location: Washingrad not DC Posts: 133	The milspec coating I have is tough as nails. You have to sand blast it off. When I had it done, the guy told me I could plug the barrel and set the rifle in a river, come back in a year and it would not rust. Well Mine was stored in a case in a safe, and it rusted big time. Ill stick with the duracoat

March 29, 2009, 03:58 PM	#15
Shadi Khalil Senior Member Join Date: September 23, 2006 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 5,210	Whatever is on my 239 is really tough.