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Old July 22, 2019, 06:33 PM   #51
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Every study made suggests spray as the best alternative.


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For the bear, almost certainly!
True, and that's the predictable, result-orientated 'animals-before-humans' premise that drives such flawed 'studies.' Flawed in methodology as well as in their selective statical analyses.

Plus, none of the tree-hugging, non-hunters who author these studies - all from the safety and rarified air of an academic armchair rather than in the real world of the Alaskan bush - are going to be standing behind you with a .375H&H rifle when your little can of 'Bear-B-Gone' perfume fails to stop a charging Griz.

Nope, in order to save your skin, you'll have to rely on (a) going into fetal and 'playing dead,' or (b) loud screamage, harsh language, and mucho waving of arms, or (c) Devine Intervention.

Of course, you could've had your 10mm Glock 20 quickly accessible in a center-chest rig, loaded hot-n-heavy with 15+1 rds of Underwood's 220gn 10mm hardcast slugs, .... but noooooo, you left it at home.

And why? - because you obligingly drank the Koolaide some professorial 'bear expert' handed you that says 'spray is more effective than bullets' at stopping aggressive bruins or turning a charge.

Uh huh ...

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Old July 22, 2019, 07:08 PM   #52
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If you put "macho man" bluster ahead of science, well..."mo powah to ya, I guess.
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Old July 22, 2019, 07:24 PM   #53
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44_Amp, agtman, Combining:

Every study made using 'animals-before-humans' premise,
suggests spray as the best alternative for the bear.
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Old July 23, 2019, 04:49 AM   #54
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Every study made suggests spray as the best alternative. I live in bear country and I carry it.
How many times has your can of bear spray saved you from an attacking bear?
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Old July 23, 2019, 08:44 AM   #55
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how many times has your belchfire magnum saved you from bears???
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Old July 23, 2019, 09:14 AM   #56
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Old July 23, 2019, 02:00 PM   #57
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How many times has your seatbelt, airbags or motorcycle helmet saved you??

Some folks live their whole lives in "car country" without it happening even once.
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Old July 23, 2019, 03:46 PM   #58
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We get this in post #43 of this thread.....
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Lets stay on topic, which is Handguns and bears, and leave discussions about bear spray in the can.

.....and then in post 49?

One thing I do agree with, from that long and drawn out rant in 44 AMP's post #49, and have been trying to make a point of in this and every other bear thread I've ever been involved with, is......

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That being said, statistically I'd expect more people capable of effectively delivering bear spray than effective shooting in the typical "charging grizzly" scenario so often discussed.
Macho as many folks want us to believe they are, very few folks, even experienced handgunners, can hit the CNS of a bear doing 30MPH straight at you, without a whole outhouse full of luck. I've seen many excellent shooting handgunners humbled by the "ball coming directly at you" drill I have at my shooting range. This is not a "skewed study" by a bunch of "tree-hugging, non-hunters who author these studies - all from the safety and rarified air of an academic armchair rather than in the real world of the Alaskan bush", but real shooting in real life......in real time. Only thing is, it's a fricken' tether-ball on a rope and not a real bear. Folks are calm and collected and know they aren't going to die....and they still can't hit the Dam thing after multiple attempts. Oh, I know some folks here are highly more skilled than anyone I would know, but I'd still bet against each and every one of them, iffin' they ever had the tether-balls to show up at my range and try.

Just sayin'..........
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Looks like the content to noise ratio is rapidly approaching one...
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