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June 29, 2022, 05:54 AM | #1 |
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California Releases Personal Info on CCW
The California Attorney Genral released a list of all concealed carry permit holders including names, addresses, ages. This was done as part of an effort at "transparency". I believe the information has now been taken down but is it possible the information was copied first. What groups might find this helpful? How might: The Media, Anti-gun Groups or even criminals take advantage of this? Do you think the release was a "mistake" or might this have been done intentionally?
https://ktla.com/news/california/nam...fice-confirms/
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June 29, 2022, 07:42 AM | #2 |
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I am sure it was done on purpose to generate fear and hate.
I think it would be instructive to compare that list with a list of persons putting out anti statements, though. |
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I'd have a hard time believing that this was accidental, unintentional, coincidental, etc. At best, I think it was done to scare and shame gun owners. At worst, I think it was done in the hopes of getting a few killed.
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June 29, 2022, 08:23 AM | #4 |
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Let's get one thing straight, I seriously doubt it was an effort to get anyone killed and suggesting as much is irresponsible. And you'd need to be a special kind of stupid to attack someone you know is armed.
It is a scare tactic though. Hey you want your concealed carry license that's fine... but we're going make your information public because your neighbors should know your armed and scary! If they can't stop you from carrying one way, they'll try to ostracize you or scare you into compliance another way. |
June 29, 2022, 09:45 AM | #5 |
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I would wonder if there were any geographic "holes" where no permits are shown but you might expect some to be present.
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June 29, 2022, 09:49 AM | #6 |
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When CCW was new in my state, the identities and addresses were a public record. It was copied by the state's largest paper and published by an antagonistic journalist.
Publishing what people have in their homes creates targets for theft which can be an incentive for home invasion. There is no benign motive for it.
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June 29, 2022, 09:55 AM | #7 |
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I read today that the vast majority of people on the list were judges, politicians and big political donors.
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June 29, 2022, 10:15 AM | #8 |
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My take is that this was done mostly in response to the recent SCOTUS decision in NY so as to discourage new applicants.
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While the media is covering this as a 'breach' the actual CA DOJ says nothing of the sort:
https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releas...ansparency-and Quote:
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You expect criminals to make the smart move? https://www.dailywire.com/news/man-s...med-with-knife https://www.wlbt.com/2021/08/18/3-pl...iss-pawn-shop/ https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/w...rob-gun-range/ https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...range-84117048 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/multi...b05fe694f296ad Need I continue?
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June 29, 2022, 11:57 AM | #11 |
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And you think telling people the state of California is trying to get them killed is the correct thing to do? You REALLY think the attorney general of California sat down and said, hey lets make this information public, it might get some of them killed off and scare the others!
That asinine and ridiculous. I doesn't help in any way other than to prove to them that we're all a bunch of conspiracy nuts. Need I continue? |
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and they might get shot if they try... Not sure just where to put that on their list, but its got to be up there around the top. I seem to remember something similar in Florida a while back, but if I remember right, it wasn't the govt putting out the names and addresses of CCW holders, it was a reporter (who got the info via a freedom of info filing or something like that). Don't know if the rest of the story is true or not, but according to the story, someone else put the reporter's name & address on the net, along with where he worked and everyone else who worked there. The CCW holders list disappeared real fast after that... Quote:
And yes, it does take a special kind of stupid to attack someone you know is armed. Now look at the other side of the coin. The list that tells you who is likely to be armed ALSO tells you who is NOT. Think that would not have an effect on some criminals targeting priority?? Hmmm, lets see...oh 1601 W. Maple is on the gun permit list....ah, but 1604 W. Maple is NOT! Hmmm decisions, decisions... The stated intent of a published gun permit list might be "transparancy" the actual effect would be to help create a safer work environment for crime. I think people too stupid to recognize that should not be in positions of authority where they can make those levels of decisions. And I think people who DO recognize that, and go ahead and do it anyway are WORSE. You won't find it in today's news, but if you're old enough (and paid attention at the time) you might remember something that happened some years back in Florida, after they relaxed their permit/carry requirements. Overall crime went down, but crimes against tourists went UP, a lot. Bad guys were specifically targeting people in cars with out of state license plates. Seems that the bad guys were pretty sure tourists wouldn't be armed, but couldn't tell which state residents might be.
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I cannot attribute homicidal intent to the California AG's office for the release of this information. I can imagine, however, someone may have released the data to "out" those politically incorrect enough to own guns. Never mind that it provides a list of targets for thieves. The thieves would almost certainly avoid a high-risk home invasion and, instead, break in while residents are out of the home.
Added: I first learned of the leak/breach from a prosecution-oriented blog when I clicked on a link from the blog. The blog post is at https://www.crimeandconsequences.blog/?p=6947. The release of data involved a lot more than the possibly inadvertent release of names and addresses. Last edited by KyJim; June 29, 2022 at 12:41 PM. |
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You think it's a coincidence that this just happens to happen less than a week after Bruen? Given the gun control history of CA (and IL, NY, NJ, etc.), that's the idea I'd call asinine and ridiculous.
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It also tells crooks where the guns are likely stored. Guns are a very hot item for theft, easily sold. If a halfway smart crook had just one buddy at an alarm company, it wouldn't be that hard to figure out someone on the list who's on vacation.
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In the interest of preserving the CA DOJ's own words, I'll put this here. It is accurate as of this posting:
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I doubt it. What else could be proof positive? Nothing I can see from my chair. Stating "possibly prevented" or "likely prevented". I could accept that as their opinion. Stating that GVROs did prevent x# mass shootings as an established and provable fact? No. I just don't buy it. I don't think any such proof exists, or could possibly exist, outside of the heads of the people who stand to make $ doing a study.
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I seem to recall this was tried intentionally in PA or NJ a few years back.
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June 30, 2022, 07:20 AM | #20 |
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While this may not have been done with the intent of causing physical harm it was a form of Government supported Doxing. It was intended to shame, inconvenience, impact careers, destroy relationships, etc.
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June 30, 2022, 08:58 AM | #21 |
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I'm not arguing that their intent was somehow beneficent. It was definitely a volley launched in our direction. I think their intent was to say, if you get a CC license we're going to let all your neighbors know so they can shun you!
I just draw the line at anyone suggesting "At worst, I think it was done in the hopes of getting a few killed." |
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(a) It is completely impossible that some frothing-at-the-mouth antigunner in the DOJ (the main office of which is in Sacramento) published the information to punish gun owners in retaliation for the Bruen decision?
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I'm curious how much more info was made public. We are worked up over the CC holder's personal info, but consider:
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I'm fairly sure they never got much farther than scare, shame, shun. Hey these guys carry guns, you should avoid them! And hey if an employer see's it and let's you go, that'll work. Murder... not likely. |
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It does point to why it isn't paranoid to resist giving the state more information or allowing it to compile more information. They'll do something with it, and it won't be for your benefit.
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