Range report: CZ75, 92FS & P226 Oh my! (Pic heavy)

Kimio · February 14, 2015, 06:46 PM

So after much toying around and many rounds down range, my groups have been slowly closing as I've learned how to control both my grip and trigger pull.

Shots fired from all the handguns were done at 6yrds with 115gr Federal White Box, SA only.

Here's the latest group from my CZ75 compact

CZ75 Compact: http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/...116_185648.jpg
Target: http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/...17013811_o.jpg

My experiences with the Beretta 92FS was not exactly...positive the last 3 times I've tried to fire the gun. Groups were all over the paper, and I just could not get a solid grip around the handgun that was comfortable for me. I had just about given up on it entirely, writing it off as something that was just not fitting for me.

Thinking back on it, I figured that the negative experience was likely because I just didn't know what the bloody 'ell I was doing! So off I went to try one more time.

The range I went to had a Sig P226, and hearing quite a bit about this gun, I decided to through 25 rounds down range through each gun in 5 round runs.

Here are my results, please note that I've never fired the P226 before either.

Sig P226: http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/Ar...tml?sort=3&o=3

Target (10 rounds):http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/...97732181_o.jpg

Target II: http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/...30361779_o.jpg

Beretta 92FS: http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/Ar...tml?sort=3&o=1

Target: http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/...31206042_o.jpg

My conclusion is, while I still have a very long way to go, grip technique certainly changed my experiences with the 92FS and made the overall experience with the P226 much more enjoyable than I otherwise would have had.

I would like to give a shout out to all who commented in these threads

Trigger pull & grip: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=554554
Locking Wrists: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=550285

The advice given to me (as well as the videos) has proven to be invaluable to me, especially since I lack any kind of real guidance from friends and family when it comes to learning how to shoot and shoot well.

I have much to learn, but hopefully I'll eventually get to the point that most of my shots will make a nice concentrated hole in the target

Thanks again to the members here who have patiently and politely answered my (never ending) questions. The community here, truly rocks!

LockedBreech · February 14, 2015, 10:15 PM

Three outstanding guns. With all this testing I bet there's a perma-smile on your face.

Kimio · February 14, 2015, 11:05 PM

I know that I now want a 92FS and a P226 now hah!

Metalboy · February 14, 2015, 11:32 PM

Since I put a Hogue grip on my Beretta 92FS, I shoot it much better. The plastic grips are just too slippery.

AustinTX · February 15, 2015, 01:49 AM

Kudos to you for your dedication to improving your skills instead of blaming your hardware. Nice shooting!

Pilot · February 15, 2015, 06:37 AM

Three excellent wonder nines. My favorite being the CZ, but the others are top notch. You have good taste, and the start of a nice collection.

Kimio · February 18, 2015, 12:32 PM

@AustinTX Appreciate the kind words, I try my best to keep to the saying that "A carpenter never blames his tools" for poor work. I've found that 99.9% of the time, the problem is what's behind the gun, not the gun itself :P

@Pilot I've found that I really enjoy the Sig P226, though the 92FS was nice as well.

I didn't care for the "spongy" "mushy" feeling the Sig' trigger had though, but I chalked that up to it being a rental. It fit comfortably in the hand though, and I found the double action trigger pull to be the easiest to shoot with out of all the guns I've tried so far. Not sure if it had a trigger job or not (doubt it) but the DA weight was quite a bit lighter than my CZ75 Compact or the 92FS.

I now know that I've added two more handguns that are a "must own" to my list. The question now is, how do I find the $$$' to fund this new addiction of mine as well as feed the beasts I want to collect.

FairWarning · February 20, 2015, 07:50 PM

I've been seriously lusting after the 92 recently! I've researched the 4 major full sized versions that interest me---92FS and M9 (both have fat grips) and the 92A1 and M9A1 (much thinner grips, although the rounded trigger guard on the 92A1 is a deal killer based on style alone).

At the risk of sounding ridiculous, I'd really like to have an Italian 92 (I'm clearly not the only one!), although I think the USA made M9A1 is probably the best overall version to me and will probably get it soon.

February 14, 2015, 06:46 PM	#1
Kimio Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2011 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,171	Range report: CZ75, 92FS & P226 Oh my! (Pic heavy) So after much toying around and many rounds down range, my groups have been slowly closing as I've learned how to control both my grip and trigger pull. Shots fired from all the handguns were done at 6yrds with 115gr Federal White Box, SA only. Here's the latest group from my CZ75 compact CZ75 Compact: http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/...116_185648.jpg Target: http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/...17013811_o.jpg My experiences with the Beretta 92FS was not exactly...positive the last 3 times I've tried to fire the gun. Groups were all over the paper, and I just could not get a solid grip around the handgun that was comfortable for me. I had just about given up on it entirely, writing it off as something that was just not fitting for me. Thinking back on it, I figured that the negative experience was likely because I just didn't know what the bloody 'ell I was doing! So off I went to try one more time. The range I went to had a Sig P226, and hearing quite a bit about this gun, I decided to through 25 rounds down range through each gun in 5 round runs. Here are my results, please note that I've never fired the P226 before either. Sig P226: http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/Ar...tml?sort=3&o=3 Target (10 rounds):http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/...97732181_o.jpg Target II: http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/...30361779_o.jpg Beretta 92FS: http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/Ar...tml?sort=3&o=1 Target: http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/...31206042_o.jpg My conclusion is, while I still have a very long way to go, grip technique certainly changed my experiences with the 92FS and made the overall experience with the P226 much more enjoyable than I otherwise would have had. I would like to give a shout out to all who commented in these threads Trigger pull & grip: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=554554 Locking Wrists: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=550285 The advice given to me (as well as the videos) has proven to be invaluable to me, especially since I lack any kind of real guidance from friends and family when it comes to learning how to shoot and shoot well. I have much to learn, but hopefully I'll eventually get to the point that most of my shots will make a nice concentrated hole in the target Thanks again to the members here who have patiently and politely answered my (never ending) questions. The community here, truly rocks! Last edited by Kimio; February 14, 2015 at 11:38 PM.

February 14, 2015, 10:15 PM	#2
LockedBreech Senior Member Join Date: July 6, 2009 Location: Rocky Mountain West Posts: 3,395	Three outstanding guns. With all this testing I bet there's a perma-smile on your face. __________________ 16 Pistols, 5 Rifles, 1 Shotgun, no time to shoot them

February 14, 2015, 11:32 PM	#4
Metalboy Senior Member Join Date: November 30, 2014 Location: SE. Wisconsin. Posts: 327	Since I put a Hogue grip on my Beretta 92FS, I shoot it much better. The plastic grips are just too slippery. __________________ Hungarian by birth, American by choice. I don't collect guns.They just accumulate themselves.

February 15, 2015, 06:37 AM	#6
Pilot Senior Member Join Date: December 21, 2000 Posts: 4,193	Three excellent wonder nines. My favorite being the CZ, but the others are top notch. You have good taste, and the start of a nice collection. __________________ Pilot

February 18, 2015, 12:32 PM	#7
Kimio Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2011 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,171	@AustinTX Appreciate the kind words, I try my best to keep to the saying that "A carpenter never blames his tools" for poor work. I've found that 99.9% of the time, the problem is what's behind the gun, not the gun itself :P @Pilot I've found that I really enjoy the Sig P226, though the 92FS was nice as well. I didn't care for the "spongy" "mushy" feeling the Sig' trigger had though, but I chalked that up to it being a rental. It fit comfortably in the hand though, and I found the double action trigger pull to be the easiest to shoot with out of all the guns I've tried so far. Not sure if it had a trigger job or not (doubt it) but the DA weight was quite a bit lighter than my CZ75 Compact or the 92FS. I now know that I've added two more handguns that are a "must own" to my list. The question now is, how do I find the $$$' to fund this new addiction of mine as well as feed the beasts I want to collect. Last edited by Kimio; February 20, 2015 at 09:09 PM.

February 14, 2015, 11:05 PM	#3
Kimio Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2011 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,171	I know that I now want a 92FS and a P226 now hah!

February 15, 2015, 01:49 AM	#5
AustinTX Senior Member Join Date: June 19, 2010 Posts: 2,145	Kudos to you for your dedication to improving your skills instead of blaming your hardware. Nice shooting!

February 20, 2015, 07:50 PM	#8
FairWarning Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2008 Location: GA Posts: 1,149	I've been seriously lusting after the 92 recently! I've researched the 4 major full sized versions that interest me---92FS and M9 (both have fat grips) and the 92A1 and M9A1 (much thinner grips, although the rounded trigger guard on the 92A1 is a deal killer based on style alone). At the risk of sounding ridiculous, I'd really like to have an Italian 92 (I'm clearly not the only one!), although I think the USA made M9A1 is probably the best overall version to me and will probably get it soon. __________________ Mauser Werke, Schmidt-Rubin, Colt, Walther, HK, Weatherby, Sig Sauer, Browning, Ruger, Beretta, etc, etc....a few friends of mine