LCP precock operation

Super Blackhawk · October 26, 2018, 06:55 AM

I’d love to carry my Ruger LCP2 as my everyday pocket carry....with one in the chamber ....but I just am a little nervous about the safeness factor, since when this gun is chambered with a round it is in a half pre cocked hammer condition as part of the design to provide better trigger..

Does this give anyone else pause for concern.?

FITASC · October 26, 2018, 07:20 AM

Not if it is in a pocket holster

USNRet93 · October 26, 2018, 07:46 AM

I also frequently carry a LCP, but carry with a trigger guard with tie, tied onto belt..and with 'ClipDraw'...

SIMP · October 26, 2018, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Super Blackhawk

Does this give anyone else pause for concern.?

Yes! This is why I won't own an LCPII. I do not like the fully cocked hammer on a pocket gun. I have carried the LCP and LCP Gen 2 for years without worry but will not do it with the LCPII. In fact, I recently switched to a Bodyguard 380 because it is a true double action and also has a firing pin block. The trigger must be pulled to allow the pin contact with the primer. I bought the model without the safety. The trigger pull is long and hard but it is very safe.

Oh yeah, I always carry the LCP's and BG380 with one in the pipe.

Cheapshooter · October 26, 2018, 05:10 PM

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I also frequently carry a LCP(similar trigger/hammer design as LCP2),

No it isn't. Not even close. The original LCP, and the Gen2 LCP has a double action only trigger. The hammer is only reset, but not cocked. That is done completely by the long trigger pull. The II is a single action pull with the hammer fully cocked. Similar in function to most striker fired pistols.

HighValleyRanch · October 26, 2018, 05:18 PM

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it is in a half pre cocked hammer condition

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The II is a single action pull with the hammer fully cocked. Similar in function to most striker fired pistols.

Which one is it, half cocked or fully cocked?

Is the hammer all the way back in cocked position. Yes, that would make me nervous carrying in the pocket!

Cheapshooter · October 26, 2018, 11:01 PM

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Which one is it, half cocked or fully cocked?

"Also aiding accuracy is the LCP II’s new trigger system. Where the original LCP’s 10-plus-lb. double-action trigger was undoubtedly safe, in the same sense as a double-action revolver, it was also a detriment when taking aimed shots at distances longer than arm’s reach. The LCP II utilizes a new single-action mechanism where the internal hammer is fully cocked by the rearward motion of the slide, resulting in a consistent and clean trigger pull of around 6 lbs. "
From:
https://www.americanrifleman.org/art...cp-ii-handgun/

TomNJVA · October 27, 2018, 10:11 AM

It is fully cocked. I feel completely safe carrying it chambered so long as it stays in the holster until ready to shoot. In fact much safer than carrying it unchambered and hoping I remember to operate the slide in a panic.

Earlier DAO versions are safer if carried without a holster but would likely be less accurate at say 10 yards.

The LCPII is not a range gun - it is designed for deep concealment and up-close personal defense. It suits that purpose well. Rating it on other aspects such as sights, trigger, hand feel, felt recoil, and accuracy at 25 yards are largely irrelevant. It is perfectly safe to carry so long as it is kept in the holster provided with it.

SIMP · November 6, 2018, 09:50 AM

This fully cocked hammer and lack of firing pin block make me very uncomfortable with the LCPII. I owned one briefly and got rid of it quickly after I did my research on it.

I recently switched to the M&P Bodyguard 380 with no laser or safety. I like the idea of the true double action trigger and also the firing pin block. The pin cannot strike the primer without the trigger being pulled.

After a few range sessions with the BG380, the long heavy trigger pull is not an issue. I'll still keep my LCP (2nd Gen) but for now, it's the BG380 for me.

tallball · November 7, 2018, 11:28 PM

I have an LCP II. I feel okay with carrying it as long as it's in a good holster that fully covers the trigger.

I shot it back-to-back-to-back with my two previously preferred micro 380's, and I shot it by far the best of the three. It's very accurate for the type of pistol it is. The trigger is great and the sights are also very good.

elde · November 8, 2018, 02:52 AM

Like carrying a 1911 cocked and not locked. No thanks.

DanPop · November 10, 2018, 07:47 PM

Unchambered = "wait, let my gun be ready to shoot you".

gnystrom · November 11, 2018, 05:36 PM

Problem solved.

FITASC · November 11, 2018, 06:35 PM

Talon is a good group of folks who run a great range as well.

Carl the Floor Walker · November 13, 2018, 07:29 PM

I always find it amusing when someone say's "It is safe as long as you carry in a good holster". Sorry, but I would not carry a LCPll for any reason. I do not need a light crisp trigger, especially on a pocket gun.
The LCP Gen 2 was a nice smooth double action. And I would imagine that is precisely why they are still in production. Nice trigger, safer pocket gun. I guess it is the fact that so many newbie's etc. can't shoot a double action, don't want to learn, and prefer to "Target shoot" these small guns rather than train for fast draw and fast shooting to center mass.

USNRet93 · November 14, 2018, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl the Floor Walker

I always find it amusing when someone say's "It is safe as long as you carry in a good holster". Sorry, but I would not carry a LCPll for any reason. I do not need a light crisp trigger, especially on a pocket gun.
The LCP Gen 2 was a nice smooth double action. And I would imagine that is precisely why they are still in production. Nice trigger, safer pocket gun. I guess it is the fact that so many newbie's etc. can't shoot a double action, don't want to learn, and prefer to "Target shoot" these small guns rather than train for fast draw and fast shooting to center mass.

Agree, quite happy carrying my LCP, gen 2(NOT LCP-2) chambered, trigger guard, lanyard, 'ClipDraw' 'holster. A 'range gun, go shoot to have fun' it definitely it is not.

Ricklin · November 14, 2018, 08:27 AM

I would not change a thing on my original LCP. OK I could remove the laser it's kind of "meh" it's there, and it does not make the pistol any less packable.

I'll bring other guns for fun at the range, but will put a magazine through the LCP while I am there.

I don't mind the long heavy trigger at all. It suits the purpose of the pistol very well.

I am plenty accurate at the distances the LCP is meant for. It's def. NOT a target pistol and I am not going to shoot it as one.

The chances of me having to shoot someone are very small, The likelihood of me shooting someone from 20 yards away are NIL.

The LCP is very accurate, the sights are for close up.

gnystrom · November 14, 2018, 11:00 AM

There is nothing light and crisp about any of the Ruger LCP guns. The original LCP trigger worked fine but was a pain in the fanny to shoot. The LCP custom or the addition of a Sweet Pea trigger amde it a much more accurate gun that was actually fun to train with.
The LCPII comes along with a slightly better frame shape and a trigger that was somewhat like the LCP custom, and now the refinements show up when the gun is put into service.

Some like, some hate but all of them work for their intended purpose. I personally prefer one that I am comfortably shooting a couple of boxes of ammo at 30' with good results.

Everyone has their right to accept or reject a manufacturers ability to make and test their firearms but I have absolutely no fear of carrying any of my purchased firearms in a proper fitting holster.

DAKA · November 21, 2018, 08:49 AM

I have been carrying my LCO (gen ll) cocked in both an IWB or sometimes loose in a pocket, if "tucked" for years....I feel safe with the loose pocket carry because I NEVER HAVE ANYTHING ELSE IN THAT POCKET, and am VERY AWARE that is is there..
I love this gun because I NEVER leave the house without it...
As others have said, IT IS NOT RANGE GUN.
ITS FOR THAT "NEVER WILL HAPPEN" TIME.......(And in 40+years of carrying, it hasn't happened yet and hopefully never will)

driz · November 21, 2018, 06:48 PM

That’s why I absolutely love my LCP Custom. It really does have a nice ( not target) trigger. Yea it’s as fugly as a hedge fence with that futuristic aerospace looking trigger made worse by being red. FUGGGGGGLY but it sure does shoot about as well as a S&W J frame on double action. I can put almost all of them in a pie plate at 15 yards. I just love that little gun except to look at it. That’s fine as it sits in my Desantis in my pocket.
The high sights snag somewhat too though you can bob or change those. The one detractor I really dislike is lack of last round slide lockback. I can live with that too as it’s not a service weapon . It’s worth it for that nice safe yet long trigger. What I would absolutely love is a 9 mm LCP with that same setup as the Custom. I’d even ignore the Buck Rogers

Bart Noir · November 26, 2018, 02:48 PM

Driz, I sold off my LCP Custom and now carry the LCP II in a good pocket holster. The sights on the Custom were too tall and "snaggy" and the LCP II has the slide hold open. It's sights are better than the sights on the original LCP but not too tall. I've had a progression of pocket pistols. The KelTec is gone, the Bodyguard 380 is gone, the LCP Custom is gone, the LCP II stays.

Bart Noir

October 26, 2018, 06:55 AM	#1
Super Blackhawk Member Join Date: October 23, 2015 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 50	LCP precock operation I’d love to carry my Ruger LCP2 as my everyday pocket carry....with one in the chamber ....but I just am a little nervous about the safeness factor, since when this gun is chambered with a round it is in a half pre cocked hammer condition as part of the design to provide better trigger.. Does this give anyone else pause for concern.?

October 26, 2018, 07:20 AM	#2
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,441	Not if it is in a pocket holster __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

October 27, 2018, 10:11 AM	#8
TomNJVA Senior Member Join Date: January 22, 2014 Location: Floyd, VA Posts: 241	It is fully cocked. I feel completely safe carrying it chambered so long as it stays in the holster until ready to shoot. In fact much safer than carrying it unchambered and hoping I remember to operate the slide in a panic. Earlier DAO versions are safer if carried without a holster but would likely be less accurate at say 10 yards. The LCPII is not a range gun - it is designed for deep concealment and up-close personal defense. It suits that purpose well. Rating it on other aspects such as sights, trigger, hand feel, felt recoil, and accuracy at 25 yards are largely irrelevant. It is perfectly safe to carry so long as it is kept in the holster provided with it. __________________ In NJ, the bad guys are armed and the households are alarmed. In VA, the households are armed and the bad guys are alarmed.

November 10, 2018, 07:47 PM	#12
DanPop Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2015 Posts: 116	Unchambered = "wait, let my gun be ready to shoot you". __________________ EAA SAR k2p 9mm Beretta px4 storm Taurus pt111 g2 9mm Sig Mosquito 22lr Sig Sauer P250 9mm full size Walther PPS m2 9mm S&W Bodyguard 380 Ruger LCP 380

November 11, 2018, 06:35 PM	#14
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,441	Talon is a good group of folks who run a great range as well. __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

November 6, 2018, 09:50 AM	#9
SIMP Senior Member Join Date: October 2, 2005 Location: Mississippi Posts: 398	This fully cocked hammer and lack of firing pin block make me very uncomfortable with the LCPII. I owned one briefly and got rid of it quickly after I did my research on it. I recently switched to the M&P Bodyguard 380 with no laser or safety. I like the idea of the true double action trigger and also the firing pin block. The pin cannot strike the primer without the trigger being pulled. After a few range sessions with the BG380, the long heavy trigger pull is not an issue. I'll still keep my LCP (2nd Gen) but for now, it's the BG380 for me.

November 7, 2018, 11:28 PM	#10
tallball Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2014 Posts: 2,444	I have an LCP II. I feel okay with carrying it as long as it's in a good holster that fully covers the trigger. I shot it back-to-back-to-back with my two previously preferred micro 380's, and I shot it by far the best of the three. It's very accurate for the type of pistol it is. The trigger is great and the sights are also very good.

November 8, 2018, 02:52 AM	#11
elde Member Join Date: March 18, 2016 Location: RR12 Posts: 34	Like carrying a 1911 cocked and not locked. No thanks.

November 11, 2018, 05:36 PM	#13
gnystrom Senior Member Join Date: July 30, 2006 Posts: 308	Problem solved.

November 13, 2018, 07:29 PM	#15
Carl the Floor Walker member Join Date: June 3, 2017 Location: South Posts: 1,422	I always find it amusing when someone say's "It is safe as long as you carry in a good holster". Sorry, but I would not carry a LCPll for any reason. I do not need a light crisp trigger, especially on a pocket gun. The LCP Gen 2 was a nice smooth double action. And I would imagine that is precisely why they are still in production. Nice trigger, safer pocket gun. I guess it is the fact that so many newbie's etc. can't shoot a double action, don't want to learn, and prefer to "Target shoot" these small guns rather than train for fast draw and fast shooting to center mass.

November 14, 2018, 08:27 AM	#17
Ricklin Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2008 Location: SW Washington state Posts: 2,011	Not for me I would not change a thing on my original LCP. OK I could remove the laser it's kind of "meh" it's there, and it does not make the pistol any less packable. I'll bring other guns for fun at the range, but will put a magazine through the LCP while I am there. I don't mind the long heavy trigger at all. It suits the purpose of the pistol very well. I am plenty accurate at the distances the LCP is meant for. It's def. NOT a target pistol and I am not going to shoot it as one. The chances of me having to shoot someone are very small, The likelihood of me shooting someone from 20 yards away are NIL. The LCP is very accurate, the sights are for close up. __________________ ricklin Freedom is not free

November 14, 2018, 11:00 AM	#18
gnystrom Senior Member Join Date: July 30, 2006 Posts: 308	There is nothing light and crisp about any of the Ruger LCP guns. The original LCP trigger worked fine but was a pain in the fanny to shoot. The LCP custom or the addition of a Sweet Pea trigger amde it a much more accurate gun that was actually fun to train with. The LCPII comes along with a slightly better frame shape and a trigger that was somewhat like the LCP custom, and now the refinements show up when the gun is put into service. Some like, some hate but all of them work for their intended purpose. I personally prefer one that I am comfortably shooting a couple of boxes of ammo at 30' with good results. Everyone has their right to accept or reject a manufacturers ability to make and test their firearms but I have absolutely no fear of carrying any of my purchased firearms in a proper fitting holster.

November 21, 2018, 08:49 AM	#19
DAKA Member Join Date: May 5, 2011 Location: S FL Posts: 59	I have been carrying my LCO (gen ll) cocked in both an IWB or sometimes loose in a pocket, if "tucked" for years....I feel safe with the loose pocket carry because I NEVER HAVE ANYTHING ELSE IN THAT POCKET, and am VERY AWARE that is is there.. I love this gun because I NEVER leave the house without it... As others have said, IT IS NOT RANGE GUN. ITS FOR THAT "NEVER WILL HAPPEN" TIME.......(And in 40+years of carrying, it hasn't happened yet and hopefully never will)

November 21, 2018, 06:48 PM	#20
driz Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 33	That’s why I absolutely love my LCP Custom. It really does have a nice ( not target) trigger. Yea it’s as fugly as a hedge fence with that futuristic aerospace looking trigger made worse by being red. FUGGGGGGLY but it sure does shoot about as well as a S&W J frame on double action. I can put almost all of them in a pie plate at 15 yards. I just love that little gun except to look at it. That’s fine as it sits in my Desantis in my pocket. The high sights snag somewhat too though you can bob or change those. The one detractor I really dislike is lack of last round slide lockback. I can live with that too as it’s not a service weapon . It’s worth it for that nice safe yet long trigger. What I would absolutely love is a 9 mm LCP with that same setup as the Custom. I’d even ignore the Buck Rogers

November 26, 2018, 02:48 PM	#21
Bart Noir Senior Member Join Date: August 5, 2000 Location: Puget Sound, USA Posts: 2,215	Driz, I sold off my LCP Custom and now carry the LCP II in a good pocket holster. The sights on the Custom were too tall and "snaggy" and the LCP II has the slide hold open. It's sights are better than the sights on the original LCP but not too tall. I've had a progression of pocket pistols. The KelTec is gone, the Bodyguard 380 is gone, the LCP Custom is gone, the LCP II stays. Bart Noir __________________ Be of good cheer and mindful of your gun muzzle!