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Old April 19, 2002, 02:20 PM   #1
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Site about the middle east.

I was introduced to this site today and found it interesting.

http://www.mideasttruth.com/index.html
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Old April 20, 2002, 12:32 AM   #2
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I like http://www.arabia.com/english/

I will add your link to my favourites though.
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Old April 20, 2002, 01:13 AM   #3
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Here's another

www.masada2000.org don't miss all the stuff on the list on the lest side and the "awards" at the lower left.

Thanks for this site I hadn't discovered it yet.
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Old April 20, 2002, 09:06 AM   #4
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So we have two sites for Israeli propaganda and one for Arab propaganda. Not exactly unbiased sources, are they?

Of course, to be honest, the "Masada2000" site seems to support the Kach organization that has been deemed a terrorist organization by Israeli government itself.

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Old April 20, 2002, 10:36 AM   #5
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Try 2 sites for the truth, not propaganda. And those who have their "other" motivations will never be changed by facts and truth. Isn't that right "Otto?"
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Old April 20, 2002, 07:44 PM   #6
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Isn't that right "Otto?"
Aside from the cheap and sly personal attack, why is it that when the Israeli government calls certain Islamic militant organization (try Hamas, for example) a terrorist, it is, but when it calls a Jewish extremist group a terrorist, it is not?

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Old April 20, 2002, 08:35 PM   #7
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What group?

Kach is outlawed I believe. And you can hardly compare a tiny fringe group of INVIDUALS, which we can find in any nation including our own, to officially sponsored ones.

Just like the nut Baruch Goldstein - an invidual who went crazy and committed an atrocity, celebrated by a fringe few and damned by the nation the government and 99.99% of the people. No comparison that won't work.
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Old April 22, 2002, 11:59 AM   #8
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Skorz

We can just round up the Arab propaganda rags thusly:

www.cbs.com
www.nbc.com
www.msnbc.com
www.cnn.com
www.npr.org
www.abc.com

This is a joke, I'M JUST KIDDING. PUT THE WEAPON DOWN AND BACK AWAY SLOWLY!

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Old April 22, 2002, 03:12 PM   #9
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N ational
P alestine
R adio

(and no, I can't take credit for that one...)
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Old April 22, 2002, 03:20 PM   #10
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Y'know...

...this is beginning to irk me.

I have yet to see Skorzeny make an anti-semitic comment. I have yet to see him be what I would term as "pro-Palestinian". I have seen him state that he has sympathy for both dispossessed Palestinians used as pawns by internal militant thugs and external warring nation-states, and Israelis threatened by terrorists and hostile foreign powers. For all this he is condemned by both A) the "Everything the Israelis do is right" crowd, and B) the "Israel is a tool of the zionist oppressors" crowd.

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Old April 22, 2002, 04:48 PM   #11
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I'm inclined to agree with Tam

Skorz has always provided a very enlightening view of the ME. Name calling and other Freshman antics aren't getting across any point other than an inability to converse effectively.
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Old April 22, 2002, 10:47 PM   #12
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Name calling and other Freshman antics aren't getting across any point other than an inability to converse effectively.
I concur. However, have some sympathy. When one finds oneself effectively unarmed; one must use any means at hand
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Old April 23, 2002, 07:08 AM   #13
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I typically find that inserting your fingers in your mouth and stretching your cheeks as far apart as you can, whilst ejecting your tongue from your mouth and stating loudly, "NYAH! NYAH!" quite effective for expressing dissatisfaction with the tone of the conversation.
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Old April 24, 2002, 02:37 PM   #14
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I have seen him state that he has sympathy for both dispossessed Palestinians used as pawns by internal militant thugs and external warring nation-states, and Israelis threatened by terrorists and hostile foreign powers. For all this he is condemned by both A) the "Everything the Israelis do is right" crowd, and B) the "Israel is a tool of the zionist oppressors" crowd.
Thank you, Tarama - you just summed up my view in one sentence and the predicament I find myself in another as well.

On this forum, I often find myself "defending" the Palestinians because the "drive them all to Jordan" view has some currency among some TFLers. But in many public (not internet) forums and venues, I get hackled and booed for defending Israel and its right to exist peacefully and securely by those who glamorize suicide bombers as noble and innocent "freedom fighters."

I get it both ways.

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Kach is outlawed I believe. And you can hardly compare a tiny fringe group of INVIDUALS, which we can find in any nation including our own, to officially sponsored ones.

Just like the nut Baruch Goldstein - an invidual who went crazy and committed an atrocity, celebrated by a fringe few and damned by the nation the government and 99.99% of the people. No comparison that won't work.
Absolutely. There is no moral equivalence there. Israeli government outlawed Kach for being what it is - an extremist organization that encourages (and actually engages in) violent actions against innocent non-combatants. Meanwhile, Arafat and the PA tolerates and even covertly encourages Hamas and Islamic Jihad suicide bombers.

My bone with your post was the fact that one of your "truth" sites, www.masada2000.org, supports Kach and its ideology - the very thing you later describe as "fringe."

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