Beanbags for HD

glockopop · January 24, 2006, 04:25 AM

Am I crazy to consider this? I was thinking, for home defense, have the first one or two in the tube be beanbags and the rest 00 buck. I really don't want to kill anyone, but I will if I have to. I'm told that beanbags are strong enough to break bones at close range, and the longest distance I could shoot in my apartment is about 10 feet.

chaim · January 24, 2006, 04:38 AM

Do not do this under any circumstances.

In most states (if not all) using less lethal ammuntion in your shotgun causes major liability and legal issues for us non-law enforcement types. If you pull the trigger of your shotgun, regardless of the ammo, it will be considered the use of lethal force. You can only use lethal force when you have no choice. If you are using less lethal (no such thing as non-lethal weapons/ammo) options, it may be hard to convince a DA or jury that you needed to use lethal force.

If you feel the need to have non-lethal/less lethal options for home defense I strongly suggest keeping a can of pepper spray or a stun gun/taser next to your home defense guns.

KC135 · January 24, 2006, 11:16 AM

I have had some bean bag training, and bean bags do not even deploy properly at 10 feet.

If fired at center of mass, death will likely result.

glockopop · January 24, 2006, 12:41 PM

Well I'm glad I asked.

I guess I'll just stick to buck. I know I can shoot it well and that it'll do the job. Thanks for the info, y'all.

BigFunWMU · January 24, 2006, 12:47 PM

There is nothing wrong with not wanting to kill someone. However, less lethal rounds are also less effective. Have you seen the video of the guy in front of a mall or something like that with a samauri sword? He takes 5 or 6 bean bags, and just keeps on trucking.

Or the Jackass guys? They shoot one of them and after a couple seconds, he is laughing and walking around.

If you have a real need to stop a BG, use "real" ammo.

I don't really want to kill someone either. But if my life is on the line (what it takes for the gun to be out anyway) I want something that I know will stop the threat.

mete · January 24, 2006, 05:06 PM

Change your state of mind ! I f you have to pull the trigger it won't be a game , it will be a fight for your life !! You'll be very embarrassed if your using beans and he's using real bullets .

Bender711 · January 24, 2006, 05:15 PM

yes shoot to kill, right now you might not want to kill any one, but if you happen to be in a situation in which you are fightting for your life killing will be the only thing that youll want to do.

OneInTheChamber · January 24, 2006, 07:27 PM

If it warrents pulling the trigger, pull it like you mean it and don't stop until he is no longer a threat. Don't shoot him once and then take cover to see if he'll reconsider and walk out.

you'll notice when LEO shoot a guy with a bean bag, there's atleast a couple officers next to him with .223's or 12's pointed at the BG. Unless you have that in your house, get the most lethal and (in your case) less penetrating ammo you can buy (because the guy next door to you in the apartment won't like getting shot at either).

glockopop · January 24, 2006, 10:59 PM

I don't actually have neighbors next to me, they're above me, and the nearest occupied building (after 11pm) is a block away on each side. I'm not real worried about using buckshot. I just put an FN police shotgun on layaway today, (wanted to get a New Haven 1300 while I still could) so it should be better for HD than the old mossberg with a 28" vent rib I just traded for it.

Mannlicher · January 25, 2006, 07:46 PM

.......pretty much, yes.

January 24, 2006, 04:25 AM	#1
glockopop Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2005 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 922	Beanbags for HD Am I crazy to consider this? I was thinking, for home defense, have the first one or two in the tube be beanbags and the rest 00 buck. I really don't want to kill anyone, but I will if I have to. I'm told that beanbags are strong enough to break bones at close range, and the longest distance I could shoot in my apartment is about 10 feet. __________________ I've only got two hands, but I've been known to carry three Glocks. RZA

January 24, 2006, 11:16 AM	#3
KC135 Senior Member Join Date: December 12, 2004 Location: Midwest Posts: 222	Leave less lethal bean bags shells to those who have been trained I have had some bean bag training, and bean bags do not even deploy properly at 10 feet. If fired at center of mass, death will likely result.

January 24, 2006, 12:41 PM	#4
glockopop Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2005 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 922	Well I'm glad I asked. I guess I'll just stick to buck. I know I can shoot it well and that it'll do the job. Thanks for the info, y'all. __________________ I've only got two hands, but I've been known to carry three Glocks. RZA

January 24, 2006, 12:47 PM	#5
BigFunWMU Senior Member Join Date: April 26, 2005 Posts: 304	There is nothing wrong with not wanting to kill someone. However, less lethal rounds are also less effective. Have you seen the video of the guy in front of a mall or something like that with a samauri sword? He takes 5 or 6 bean bags, and just keeps on trucking. Or the Jackass guys? They shoot one of them and after a couple seconds, he is laughing and walking around. If you have a real need to stop a BG, use "real" ammo. I don't really want to kill someone either. But if my life is on the line (what it takes for the gun to be out anyway) I want something that I know will stop the threat. __________________ "Anarchism is founded on the observation that since few men are wise enough to rule themselves, even fewer are wise enough to rule others." - Edward Abbey

January 24, 2006, 05:15 PM	#7
Bender711 Senior Member Join Date: September 20, 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 340	yes shoot to kill, right now you might not want to kill any one, but if you happen to be in a situation in which you are fightting for your life killing will be the only thing that youll want to do. __________________ From a Mod "Seeing as how "butt Smurf" is not profanity in the usual sense and humorously creative, I'll leave this up for now"

January 24, 2006, 04:38 AM	#2
chaim Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 2001 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,095	Do not do this under any circumstances. In most states (if not all) using less lethal ammuntion in your shotgun causes major liability and legal issues for us non-law enforcement types. If you pull the trigger of your shotgun, regardless of the ammo, it will be considered the use of lethal force. You can only use lethal force when you have no choice. If you are using less lethal (no such thing as non-lethal weapons/ammo) options, it may be hard to convince a DA or jury that you needed to use lethal force. If you feel the need to have non-lethal/less lethal options for home defense I strongly suggest keeping a can of pepper spray or a stun gun/taser next to your home defense guns.

January 24, 2006, 05:06 PM	#6
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 6,575	Change your state of mind ! I f you have to pull the trigger it won't be a game , it will be a fight for your life !! You'll be very embarrassed if your using beans and he's using real bullets .

January 24, 2006, 07:27 PM	#8
OneInTheChamber Senior Member Join Date: December 12, 2005 Posts: 789	If it warrents pulling the trigger, pull it like you mean it and don't stop until he is no longer a threat. Don't shoot him once and then take cover to see if he'll reconsider and walk out. you'll notice when LEO shoot a guy with a bean bag, there's atleast a couple officers next to him with .223's or 12's pointed at the BG. Unless you have that in your house, get the most lethal and (in your case) less penetrating ammo you can buy (because the guy next door to you in the apartment won't like getting shot at either). __________________ Insert witty, comical, and/or significant quote here.

January 24, 2006, 10:59 PM	#9
glockopop Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2005 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 922	I don't actually have neighbors next to me, they're above me, and the nearest occupied building (after 11pm) is a block away on each side. I'm not real worried about using buckshot. I just put an FN police shotgun on layaway today, (wanted to get a New Haven 1300 while I still could) so it should be better for HD than the old mossberg with a 28" vent rib I just traded for it. __________________ I've only got two hands, but I've been known to carry three Glocks. RZA

January 25, 2006, 07:46 PM	#10
Mannlicher Senior Member Join Date: July 8, 2001 Location: North Central Florida & Miami Posts: 3,209	Am I crazy to consider this? .......pretty much, yes. __________________ Nemo Me Impune Lacesset "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.".........Ronald Reagan