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Old November 9, 2016, 08:38 PM   #1
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2017 Legislative 2A Wish List

What type of legislative action to protect 2A rights would you like to see in 2017?

My list:
1. National Conceal Carry Reciprocity.
-If you pass a background check, complete a certain level of training, and are able to demonstrate competence with a firearm to obtain a license you shouldn't have to worry about which State you are traveling to (including CA).
2. Reduction in gun free zones
-In my opinion this should only exist in police stations and court houses, and they should provide a method where you can place your firearm in a locker inside the entrance, so you don't have to leave it at risk in your vehicle.
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Old November 9, 2016, 08:48 PM   #2
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One CCW for nation wide carry and nation wide open carry.

No restrictions on military surplus imports

No bans on weapon types; AR15, High capacity magazines, etc.

Nationwide stand your ground
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Old November 9, 2016, 10:24 PM   #3
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Federal preemption -- No state or territory, or lower level entity, can have firearm laws or regulations more restrictive than those at the Federal level.

Repeal the Hughes Amendment.
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Old November 9, 2016, 10:49 PM   #4
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Removal of suppressors from the NFA.

I actually give this better odds of actual passage than anything listed so far. It could be done quietly. Pun intended.
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Old November 9, 2016, 11:08 PM   #5
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Some states don't require a training regimen for a CCW, it's not really necessary beyond a short computer exam about legal deadly force.
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Old November 10, 2016, 06:37 AM   #6
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I'll play.

1. The Interstate Compact on the Concealed Carry of Firearms (a state-level package of model CC laws).
2. Removal of suppressors from the NFA.
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Old November 10, 2016, 07:21 AM   #7
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1- One CCW for nation wide carry and nation wide open carry.

2- No restrictions on military surplus imports

3- No bans on weapon types; AR15, High capacity magazines, etc.

4- Nationwide stand your ground
I numbered the above quote
My thought no to number one. You have just removed state sovereignty. telling them what there law will be.
Also no to number 4 again see my above reasoning
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Old November 10, 2016, 09:39 AM   #8
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My thought no to number one. You have just removed state sovereignty. telling them what there law will be.
Also no to number 4 again see my above reasoning
But Don, we have this thing called the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Those DO trump state sovereignty. Except #2, those are all Constitutional issues.

I am opposed to Nationwide CC, but am in favor of Nationwide Reciprocity. Have to think long term. When, and it will happen, the Liberals take over again, if we have a Nationwide CC, they remove it. If states have removed their process in the interim, it is a huge step back.
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Old November 10, 2016, 09:42 AM   #9
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Get rid of state bans on weapons and mag types.

Move SBRs out of the NFA

National reciprocity of CHL/CCW. The issue of standards needs discussion.

Get rid of the Post Office ban.
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Old November 10, 2016, 09:55 AM   #10
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Some sort of Pre-Emption Federal law based on the 2nd Amendment. Yes!
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Old November 10, 2016, 10:16 AM   #11
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Get rid of state bans on weapons and mag types.

Some sort of Pre-Emption Federal law based on the 2nd Amendment. Yes!
We already have the Constitution. DOJ should just force through law suits the states to follow the Constitution. Constitution already trumps state law, (so the legal eagles say)
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Old November 10, 2016, 10:21 AM   #12
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Go Trump on common sense 2a reform!
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Old November 10, 2016, 12:00 PM   #13
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Some states don't require a training regimen for a CCW, it's not really necessary beyond a short computer exam about legal deadly force.
Where does the Constitution say anything about requiring a "short computer exam" (or any other kind of exam) before being allowed to exercise the right to keep and bear arms?
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Old November 10, 2016, 12:00 PM   #14
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Some sort of Pre-Emption Federal law based on the 2nd Amendment.
Ok, not a Constitutional Scholar just a lowly manufacturing engineer, but shouldn’t we be careful asking for Federal Preemption over the States as it relates to gun laws. While it might seem nice right now it seems like a Pandora’s Box of potential problems down the road.
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Old November 10, 2016, 12:06 PM   #15
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Go Trump on common sense 2a reform!
Wishful thinking. I don't see Paul Ryan encouraging the House to be supportive of most of these initiatives. Also, the author is an idiot:

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He would also apparently have the authority to end firearm bans on other federal property, but there are so many laws and regulations that I don’t want to make that claim prematurely.
But you just DID make that claim prematurely, Ace, and you're wrong. The prohibition on firearms in Federal facilities is in a law -- the President can't end that with the stroke of a pen. Likewise, the prohibition against firearms on Postal Service property is also in a law (a different law). The President can't make that one go away with a stroke of the pen, either.

For Trump to be effective, Ryan and McConnell have to go.
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Old November 10, 2016, 12:08 PM   #16
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BarryLee, yes and no. There are obviously certain areas where the states have the final say. I think marriage and employment law are two of them, but the Feds do not.

If based on Civil Liberties, Constitutional Rights, then I really do not think there is an issue. The Constitution says I can own firearms, many states infringe on those laws. So, either by policy, SCOTUS Decision, how do you force the States to stop violating Constitutional protections? There has to be a way other than just letting the courts decide as they get to lawsuits.
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Old November 10, 2016, 03:41 PM   #17
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SCOTUS justices who are textualists or originalists would be nice.

Hearing Protection Act

Nationwide CCW reciprocity.
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Old November 10, 2016, 11:16 PM   #18
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I couldn't agree more on taking suppressors out of the NFA. These should be as easy to buy as magazines. Hopefully the Hearing Protection Act gets a vote.
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Old November 11, 2016, 01:13 AM   #19
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Some states don't require a training regimen for a CCW, it's not really necessary beyond a short computer exam about legal deadly force.
Here in PA there are no training requirements at all. Fill out the one page form, pass the PICS/NICS. Pay the sheriff $20. Open carry without one except in a car or in Philly.
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Old November 11, 2016, 04:29 PM   #20
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Conduct a thorough, exhaustive study on the effectiveness of the NICS background check system. When (not if) the study shows the system to be useless and needlessly burdensome, abolish it.

Universal background check schemes will pass by the wayside and the graboids will have to come up with a new approach.
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Old November 11, 2016, 05:11 PM   #21
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As long as we're in pie in the sky mode, my wish is for BATFE to be excised from the federal bureaucracy and its budget allotment recommitted to the US Border Patrol.
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Old November 11, 2016, 07:52 PM   #22
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SCOTUS justices who are textualists or originalists would be nice.
There are only two kinds of constitutional scholars. Textualists and people who are desperately trying to rationalize doing something unconstitutional.
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Old November 11, 2016, 08:05 PM   #23
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Textualist, Historicist, Originalist, Functionalist, Prudential, Doctrinal, Naturalist, Equality...

Those are 8 different ways in which laws can be interpreted. Strict Textual is not always possible, or even prudent in some cases. When a framer has supplemental papers that underscore or explain their intent or meaning in a certain passage, that can be taken and used as well. Not all people, now or then, agreed on what all meanings of the words actually mean. While my reading of the papers written by the framers tells me that they did not intend for the Constitution to be a "living" document, they certainly did intend to impart some elements of a Naturalist interpretation. Understanding of the meaning of the words then and what the actual intent would be now is also imperative, and is included within the Historicist viewpoint.

IF, you are stone set on only a Textual reading, then realize that only flintlocks were available and those are the firearms they knew about, so...that supports the liberal interpretations.

I will take an Originalist over a Textualist

Originalists think that the best way to interpret the Constitution is to understand how the Framers intended the Constitution to be interpreted. Documents such as the writings of the framers, newspaper articles, Federalist Papers, and the notes of the Constitutional Convention need to be evaluated in this method.

Textualists believe that the only thing needed to interpret the Constitution is a literal reading of the words contained in the document. They do require an expert knowledge of the 18th century meaning of those words. But the Textualist does not use supporting documents to answer questions and provide context. This is one of the problems regarding the definition of Firearm and Militia with this method.
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Old November 11, 2016, 09:02 PM   #24
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MarkCO, a STRICT textualist would note that flintlock musket (or any specific type of arm) is not mentioned, only "arms." Looking back to see what arms were commercially available or common during the late 1700s would not be a textualist approach.
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Universal background check schemes will pass by the wayside and the graboids will have to come up with a new approach.
Their only approach is subterranean.
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