.45 Win Mag?

Denezin · January 13, 2012, 05:56 PM

I came across ammo recently ive never heard of before. .45 Win Mag. I cant find any info on it can someone fill in the blanks for me.

grumpa72 · January 13, 2012, 06:45 PM

Hmm, Google gives me lots of information on this. Did you Google first?

http://www.google.com/search?q=.45+W...rchBox&ie=&oe=

Edward429451 · January 13, 2012, 07:57 PM

The 45 Win Mag is a forgotten cartridge. It is a stretched out 45 acp that launches it's 230 gr bullets in excess of 1200 fps! Who wouldn't like that? Why it never caught on is beyond me.

Apparently the only guns chambered for it are the LAR Grizzly Win Mag, and perhaps the Wildey. If someone would come out with a short carbine in 45 Win Mag I for sure would get one. Something like a Mini-14 chambered in 45WM would outclass all the golden M4's out there.

Edward429451 · January 13, 2012, 08:09 PM

Deleted double post

mes227 · January 13, 2012, 08:14 PM

Sounds like a Buffalo Bore .45 Colt +P.

laytonj1 · January 13, 2012, 08:18 PM

Winchester 260gr. JSP's chronographed at 1290 FPS avg. from my AMT Automag IV in 45 Win Mag.
Powerwise, it's the same as a 44 Mag.

For a while, Freedom Arms offered an extra cylinder in 45 Win Mag for their 454 revolvers.

Jim

Fleet · January 13, 2012, 10:29 PM

I wonder if anyone has ever extended the chamber in an ACP cylinder for a Blackhawk convertible? I always thought that would be a neat conversion.

Edward429451 · January 13, 2012, 10:50 PM

They need to make use of that automatic rim the case has

Denezin · January 14, 2012, 04:52 AM

Thanks for the info. I couldnt find much on it on google at first but now i got some info. Thanks again folks!

reticle · January 14, 2012, 11:10 AM

I began shooting .45 win mag back in 1995. I was trolling a local gun store and found an LAR Grizzly win mag pistol for 650.00. Except for a cosmetic barrel issue, it was perfect. I took it to the range and instantly loved the pistol/ammo combination. Since then I have accumulated all of the caliber conversion kits.

North American Arms made a magnum revolver called the Eagle IIRC. It was chambered in 450 Express Magnum and came with a 45 Win Mag cylinder. It was an impressive gun born out of a dispute between Dick Casull and the original owner of NAA. The 450 Express was to compete with the 454 Casull, but sales were slow and the revolver was dropped. All of the remaining 450 Express ammo and brass in stock was disposed of.

Anyway, the 45wm cartridge competed with the 44 mag cartridge, but lost the popularity contest. It is still available, but can be pricey. I prefer the .45wm over the 44 mag. It is relatively cheap to reload and the cases can be formed from .308 cases if need be. It is literally a blast to shoot. I think the Wildey pistol was also chambered for 45wm back in the day.

brickeyee · January 14, 2012, 02:30 PM

Quote:

perhaps the Wildey

Definitely the Wildey.

It works very nicely, even if the Wildey is a handful (huge grip to hold the magazine).

the .45 Win mag is at the lower end of Wildey capability.

It does shred up 230 grain hollow points designed to expand at .45 ACP velocities though.

Terminal ballistics includes loss of core and very well expanded jackets (often broken into pieces).

reticle · January 14, 2012, 02:48 PM

Muzzle blast 45 win mag from LAR Grizzly

Parenthetically, I took my Grizzly to an indoor range the other day to let a friend shoot it. Hehe. You should see the flinching and jiving the first time someone lights one of these puppies off....

Denezin · January 15, 2012, 06:53 AM

I wish these were still being made i like the concept of the round. love those pictures guys there very snazzy!

**44 AMP** · January 15, 2012, 01:25 PM

LAR Grizzly .45WinMag

Wildey .45 Win Mag

I also have a T/C barrel for the .45WinMag, too.

Stevie-Ray · January 15, 2012, 03:01 PM

At the height of my yearning for an LAR Grizzly, I watched a movie called Shakedown, and Sam Elliott made me want one all the more. I'd still love to have one, but I could never justify the price for what would amount to me as novelty.

DeeDubya · January 16, 2012, 12:42 PM

The 45 win mag is a great candidate for reloading. Use the same dies and bullets as the 45acp. Brass is still available from Starline. Blue Dot is the powder of choice. I cast 260 gr gas checked SWC and push them up to 1500 fps out of my 12" Contender. Great for exploding cinder blocks. I'm just starting to load for a 7" Wildey I recently acquired.

leadbutt · January 17, 2012, 01:14 PM

Was also offered in the TC hand cannon, have one in the 14" model, was as close to the 454 you could get back then, and is a fine hog smacker, buddy has one in 10", ammo is hard to find in my AO, and virgin brass is getting that way.

All ways wanted one of the M1 carbines a company in Canada was converting to win mag, made great sense to me

BOBA FETT · January 17, 2012, 03:06 PM

there is a LAR GRIZZLY in 45 win mag at a gun store near me...its a bit pricy but i am so tempted to buy it or put it on layaway...they even have boxes of ammo for it at the store...very tempting...

Clark · January 17, 2012, 03:18 PM

One can get more power than they can use by loading the 45acp hot.

With good case support, the problem is recoil.

So the 45 Win Mag provided more case volume, but the problem is recoil, not case volume.

brickeyee · January 17, 2012, 05:29 PM

Quote:

So the 45 Win Mag provided more case volume, but the problem is recoil, not case volume.

The Wildey I have in .45 Win Mag has a 10 inch barrel.

It is big and heavy, recoil is stout but not a real problem.

It is definitely a two hand gun though.

With h110 it works well, with a nice blue ring of fire from the gas metering piston in dim light and a huge impact using 230 gr FMJs.

I purchased it originally for a pig hunt, but have used it on deer a few times.

Even with 230 gr FMJs they are very dead on the spot, with exit wounds from through and through shoulder shots on about half the kills (6 of 13 so far).

I have never needed a second shot or had to search for a deer more than about 50 feet.

I figured it was good enough for deer from a tree stand in heavy woods, and it ha worked every time.
I have found pieces of jacket in off side shoulders on through and through shots.

reticle · January 17, 2012, 09:35 PM

The recoil on my 45 win mag Grizzly is less than my .44 magnum revolvers...

Magnum Wheel Man · January 18, 2012, 12:03 PM

have a 10" Contender barrel

reticle · January 21, 2012, 11:09 PM

Took my .45 win mag to the range again today. When I lit the first round up I heard, "HOLY S**T WHAT WAS THAT?!!!" from a few lanes over...

TX Nimrod · January 22, 2012, 04:15 PM

That's what you get from the current bunch of effete shooters who think that the 9mm Para is a "high power" cartridge...

.

flashguy · December 23, 2013, 01:36 AM

The photo displayed by reticle in his post of January 14, 2012, 01:48 PM is not his picture. The photo in question is one of mine that was taken in the TargetMaster Gun Store and Range in Garland, Texas in 2006. Proof of that can be found on my Flickr Set here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/8712554...7623092292412/. I deliberately blurred the face of the shooter to protect his privacy.

I do not mind someone admiring and even reposting one of my pictures, but I do think proper attribution should be made.

flashguy

January 13, 2012, 05:56 PM	#1
Denezin Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2010 Location: North Carolina Posts: 209	.45 Win Mag? I came across ammo recently ive never heard of before. .45 Win Mag. I cant find any info on it can someone fill in the blanks for me.

January 14, 2012, 02:48 PM	#12
reticle Senior Member Join Date: November 27, 2002 Location: ut. Posts: 341	Muzzle blast 45 win mag from LAR Grizzly Parenthetically, I took my Grizzly to an indoor range the other day to let a friend shoot it. Hehe. You should see the flinching and jiving the first time someone lights one of these puppies off.... Last edited by reticle; January 14, 2012 at 03:00 PM.

January 15, 2012, 01:25 PM	#14
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,832	LAR Grizzly .45WinMag Wildey .45 Win Mag I also have a T/C barrel for the .45WinMag, too. __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

January 15, 2012, 03:01 PM	#15
Stevie-Ray Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: The shores of Lake Huron Posts: 4,783	At the height of my yearning for an LAR Grizzly, I watched a movie called Shakedown, and Sam Elliott made me want one all the more. I'd still love to have one, but I could never justify the price for what would amount to me as novelty. __________________ Stevie-Ray Join the NRA/ILA I am the weapon; my gun is a tool. It's regrettable that with some people those descriptors are reversed.

January 16, 2012, 12:42 PM	#16
DeeDubya Senior Member Join Date: November 1, 2011 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 114	The 45 win mag is a great candidate for reloading. Use the same dies and bullets as the 45acp. Brass is still available from Starline. Blue Dot is the powder of choice. I cast 260 gr gas checked SWC and push them up to 1500 fps out of my 12" Contender. Great for exploding cinder blocks. I'm just starting to load for a 7" Wildey I recently acquired. __________________ DW NRA Life Member

January 13, 2012, 06:45 PM	#2
grumpa72 Senior Member Join Date: April 5, 2009 Posts: 487	Hmm, Google gives me lots of information on this. Did you Google first? http://www.google.com/search?q=.45+W...rchBox&ie=&oe=

January 13, 2012, 07:57 PM	#3
Edward429451 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 9,494	The 45 Win Mag is a forgotten cartridge. It is a stretched out 45 acp that launches it's 230 gr bullets in excess of 1200 fps! Who wouldn't like that? Why it never caught on is beyond me. Apparently the only guns chambered for it are the LAR Grizzly Win Mag, and perhaps the Wildey. If someone would come out with a short carbine in 45 Win Mag I for sure would get one. Something like a Mini-14 chambered in 45WM would outclass all the golden M4's out there.

January 13, 2012, 08:09 PM	#4
Edward429451 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 9,494	Deleted double post

January 13, 2012, 08:14 PM	#5
mes227 Senior Member Join Date: December 12, 2010 Location: Incline Village, NV Posts: 535	Sounds like a Buffalo Bore .45 Colt +P.

January 13, 2012, 08:18 PM	#6
laytonj1 Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2005 Posts: 4,443	Winchester 260gr. JSP's chronographed at 1290 FPS avg. from my AMT Automag IV in 45 Win Mag. Powerwise, it's the same as a 44 Mag. For a while, Freedom Arms offered an extra cylinder in 45 Win Mag for their 454 revolvers. Jim

January 13, 2012, 10:29 PM	#7
Fleet Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2011 Posts: 108	I wonder if anyone has ever extended the chamber in an ACP cylinder for a Blackhawk convertible? I always thought that would be a neat conversion.

January 13, 2012, 10:50 PM	#8
Edward429451 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 9,494	They need to make use of that automatic rim the case has

January 14, 2012, 04:52 AM	#9
Denezin Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2010 Location: North Carolina Posts: 209	Thanks for the info. I couldnt find much on it on google at first but now i got some info. Thanks again folks!

January 14, 2012, 11:10 AM	#10
reticle Senior Member Join Date: November 27, 2002 Location: ut. Posts: 341	I began shooting .45 win mag back in 1995. I was trolling a local gun store and found an LAR Grizzly win mag pistol for 650.00. Except for a cosmetic barrel issue, it was perfect. I took it to the range and instantly loved the pistol/ammo combination. Since then I have accumulated all of the caliber conversion kits. North American Arms made a magnum revolver called the Eagle IIRC. It was chambered in 450 Express Magnum and came with a 45 Win Mag cylinder. It was an impressive gun born out of a dispute between Dick Casull and the original owner of NAA. The 450 Express was to compete with the 454 Casull, but sales were slow and the revolver was dropped. All of the remaining 450 Express ammo and brass in stock was disposed of. Anyway, the 45wm cartridge competed with the 44 mag cartridge, but lost the popularity contest. It is still available, but can be pricey. I prefer the .45wm over the 44 mag. It is relatively cheap to reload and the cases can be formed from .308 cases if need be. It is literally a blast to shoot. I think the Wildey pistol was also chambered for 45wm back in the day.

January 15, 2012, 06:53 AM	#13
Denezin Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2010 Location: North Carolina Posts: 209	I wish these were still being made i like the concept of the round. love those pictures guys there very snazzy!

January 17, 2012, 01:14 PM	#17
leadbutt Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 2002 Location: Tidewater,Virginia Posts: 289	Was also offered in the TC hand cannon, have one in the 14" model, was as close to the 454 you could get back then, and is a fine hog smacker, buddy has one in 10", ammo is hard to find in my AO, and virgin brass is getting that way. All ways wanted one of the M1 carbines a company in Canada was converting to win mag, made great sense to me __________________ "I am always willing to learn,but not always willing to be taught" Sir Winston Churchill

January 17, 2012, 03:06 PM	#18
BOBA FETT Senior Member Join Date: September 3, 2006 Posts: 277	there is a LAR GRIZZLY in 45 win mag at a gun store near me...its a bit pricy but i am so tempted to buy it or put it on layaway...they even have boxes of ammo for it at the store...very tempting...

January 17, 2012, 03:18 PM	#19
Clark Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 1999 Location: WA, the ever blue state Posts: 4,678	One can get more power than they can use by loading the 45acp hot. With good case support, the problem is recoil. So the 45 Win Mag provided more case volume, but the problem is recoil, not case volume. __________________ The word 'forum" does not mean "not criticizing books." "Ad hominem fallacy" is not the same as point by point criticism of books. If you bought the book, and believe it all, it may FEEL like an ad hominem attack, but you might strive to accept other points of view may exist. Are we a nation of competing ideas, or a nation of forced conformity of thought?

January 17, 2012, 09:35 PM	#21
reticle Senior Member Join Date: November 27, 2002 Location: ut. Posts: 341	The recoil on my 45 win mag Grizzly is less than my .44 magnum revolvers...

January 18, 2012, 12:03 PM	#22
Magnum Wheel Man Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2006 Location: Southern Minnesota Posts: 9,333	have a 10" Contender barrel __________________ In life you either make dust or eat dust...

January 21, 2012, 11:09 PM	#23
reticle Senior Member Join Date: November 27, 2002 Location: ut. Posts: 341	Took my .45 win mag to the range again today. When I lit the first round up I heard, "HOLY S**T WHAT WAS THAT?!!!" from a few lanes over...

January 22, 2012, 04:15 PM	#24
TX Nimrod Senior Member Join Date: November 27, 2009 Location: Zona Posts: 423	That's what you get from the current bunch of effete shooters who think that the 9mm Para is a "high power" cartridge... .

December 23, 2013, 01:36 AM	#25
flashguy Member Join Date: November 12, 2006 Posts: 39	Appropriated photo The photo displayed by reticle in his post of January 14, 2012, 01:48 PM is not his picture. The photo in question is one of mine that was taken in the TargetMaster Gun Store and Range in Garland, Texas in 2006. Proof of that can be found on my Flickr Set here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/8712554...7623092292412/. I deliberately blurred the face of the shooter to protect his privacy. I do not mind someone admiring and even reposting one of my pictures, but I do think proper attribution should be made. flashguy Last edited by flashguy; December 23, 2013 at 01:46 AM.