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Old September 10, 2017, 11:00 PM   #26
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For handgun target shooting, the ideal round is one that will give the minimum recoil combined with good accuracy, and the capability for reloading. The .38 Special was, for many years, the most popular target round in the US, primarily because it was the standard police cartridge. But in Europe, the police early on began to use auto pistols, which, by their nature, require a certain power level. So the European answer was to "repurpose" the .32 S&W Long, a low-recoil cartridge that still would function an auto pistol and could be reloaded. Some very good loads and some excellent pistols were developed in Europe for that sport, and most are allowed in U.S. centerfire target shooting, something a few canny shooters have used to their advantage.

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Old September 12, 2017, 12:22 AM   #27
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Few Americans seem interested in precision target shooting so there is little interest in a high-end target pistol.
Over the last 40 some years, traditional Bullseye shooting has lost popularity to "combat" style shooting matches, in the US.

The .32 S&W is one of, if not THE lowest power centerfire rounds out there. Americans like accuracy but they like accuracy with useful power more.

Europeans are much more heavily restricted by law, and in some places, the only pistol one can own is a target pistol, which is kept stored at the range, or a police station...

Small wonder they have a stronger interest in what they can have, over what they cannot.
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Old September 12, 2017, 12:58 AM   #28
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Power is not a factor in formal target shooting; ranges are short and the only thing that the bullet must penetrate is a piece of paper. Most rules, though, do distinguish between rimfire (.22) and and center fire due to the difference in handling recoil. And it is there that the .32 Long shines. Loaded with wadcutter bullets, it is an outstanding target round, as accurate as the .38 Special and with less recoil and noise.

While European laws have restricted handgun possession in general, they had less to do with the choice of .32 Long as a target round than did its other characteristics.

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Old September 12, 2017, 07:35 AM   #29
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Power is not a factor in formal target shooting; ranges are short and the only thing that the bullet must penetrate is a piece of paper
Olympic pistol is 25 and 50 meters.
IMHO - that's about as formal as it gets.

Organized silhouette matches extend out to 250 meters & the amount of raw power needed to topple the steel targets is considerable.

Even Bullseye has 25 and 50 yard matches.
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I don't consider 50 meters or 50 yards as long range. I admit I was not aware of European pistol shooting at 250 meters; that is fantastic. Do you know what group sizes they get?.

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Old September 14, 2017, 02:55 AM   #31
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LOL!

You don't consider 50 yards or meters as long range!!!!

yeah ok.....if you say so...
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Old September 14, 2017, 05:58 AM   #32
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Fifty yards is long range considering that virtually all action type pistol competitions are shot at distances considerably shorter than that.
"Even Bullseye has...50 yard matches".....Even??? Most outdoor Bullseye matches are shot with the Slow fire targets at fifty yards.
There are few pistol competitions that go beyond 50 yards. Pistol Silhouette is one. In both NRA Silhouette and IHMSA competitions, the maximum distance shot is at Rams at 200 yards.

The advantage of the 32 S&W LONG is minimal recoil. The disadvantage is that the little wadcutters tend to instability at the long line targets (50 yards). European ISSF CF matches are shot at 25 meters. The only 50 meter matches are Precison Pistol (Aka Free Pistol) which is a rimfire competition.
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Old September 14, 2017, 06:03 AM   #33
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250 meter's target's with a 32 long? Wow! I have a mod 16 Smith in 32 long and if I had to get rid of all my handguns but one the one I'd keep would be the 32 long. I'm not a big time handgun shooter and other than self defense prefer DA revolver's. I do have a 22 auto, a High standard HD Military I love and it can shoot right alongside my 32 long. But ir require's factory ammo, my 32 shoot's my cast bullet's very well. Come to think of it, I have never fired a factory round from it.

But I doubt we'll ever see it get popular again. Shoot, a lot of people believe they need a 40 cal min for everything. I read of the use of people's pistol for pretty much self defense only, that would include self defense from a bear while your hunting sage rat's! Throw down the rifle and get out your 44 mag! That always tickles me!

My son has several handguns mostly semi auto for self defense. started with 357 MAG and has never fired a 38 in it and never a cast. Then needed an auto for carry so got a Glock in 9mm. That wore out fast enough and he just had to have a new Glock in 40 cal. That's about run the course now and he's looking for a 50 cal I think it is? It's really funny watching these things develop. I think the thing that does this is advertising! If the firearms industry told us the 32 had some kind of magic that would take Godzilla out with one shot, people would rush out to get it! Then when Godzilla attacked, they would throw down their 460 Weatherby and pull out their 32 long! I'm sorry, I find so much of this stuff amusing!
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I am pretty sure that even the hottest .32 S&W loads would be tumbling long before 250 meters.
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Old September 14, 2017, 11:37 AM   #35
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"...to have a 32 target gun made..." You'd be daft. Lots of .32 Longs around. Cheap they ain't though. Walthers and the like are 4 figure target pistols and use WC's. The .32 ACP is not suitable for target shooting though.
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Old September 14, 2017, 12:18 PM   #36
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Come on, guys, I don't think Hal meant he was shooting IHMSA with a .32. Although .32-20 was popular in Hunter Pistol at 100 metres.

darkgael confirms what I have read. .32 is a fine 25 metre round, not so hot at 50 yards. Not that you cannot find somebody who does well with it.
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Old November 30, 2017, 07:22 AM   #37
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International rules require all pistol calibers to produce at least 250meters/sec velocity. That translates to around 812fps. Perfect for the .32 Long. When was the last time you priced a brick of Eley Tenex .22LR???? We're wasting our time shooting .22LR. It's way past time to beat the Chinese at the Olympics and World Cup!! We can't get more shooters in these events because it costs too much to shoot. The pistols will last a lifetime.
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Old November 30, 2017, 07:50 AM   #38
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Silhouette is done more with the likes of the Rem XP-100 in 7br or 7-08, not a Pardini in 32SWL
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That would be a classy bunny shooter, though stability at 50 yards or more would be better.
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. The .32 ACP is not suitable for target shooting though.
Times change. The Pardini HP - a precision pistol - sports a .32 ACP conversion.

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We're wasting our time shooting .22LR. It's way past time to beat the Chinese at the Olympics and World Cup!! We can't get more shooters in these events because it costs too much to shoot.
Wasting our time shooting .22 LR???? Want to beat the Chinese at the Olympics??
Well then...if we want to beat them, then we had better waste more time with the .22 since the two Olympic pistol events -Rapid Fire and Precision Pistol - are both shot with .22LR.
The third Olympic pistol event is Air Pistol.
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Old December 5, 2017, 07:04 PM   #41
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I'm new to the .32 S&W Long. Recently bought a Benelli MP95 chambered for ".32 Wadcutter". It is by far the most accurate centerfire handgun I own. I can shoot it almost as good as the Benelli MP95 in .22LR that I also own. It would be nice if an American company made a semi in this caliber.
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Old December 5, 2017, 07:32 PM   #42
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Why? You have found two that are extremely accurate. What difference does it make in this day's world economy?
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Old December 5, 2017, 08:07 PM   #43
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I'm new to the .32 S&W Long. Recently bought a Benelli MP95 chambered for ".32 Wadcutter". It is by far the most accurate centerfire handgun I own. I can shoot it almost as good as the Benelli MP95 in .22LR that I also own. It would be nice if an American company made a semi in this caliber.
They do indeed shoot well. This is from 50 yards.

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Old December 6, 2017, 07:38 AM   #44
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There are a few who shoot 32 target revolvers at my club. Including the legendary K32 and the reintroduced k32 in 32 H&R. They may not have sold many of either at the time,but; they are sought after today. I make do with less. They did not sell at the time, so; probably would not sell many today. Certainly not on this forum.

There was (past tense) the more popular K38. In production today, I am not aware of any 38 target revolver or target pistol in 38 or 380 either. Just 9mm and 45 acp. Is there anything? it is not just a 32 caliber story.

it seems at the Olympic level the European makers dominate in all calibers of rifle and pistol. My problem is I am not on that budget or at that skill level. I would love to see a 32 semi match gun somewhere along the price/quality point of a centerfire version of the Ruger Mark or say around 1,000 (actual retail).

The 327 federal seems to have some merit or acceptance and might lift the whole 32 boat along with it. The current 327 revolvers are small for target shooting, for me I guess. A super blackhawk has the larger grip frame and weight to make a good shooter, they could probably sell a couple hundred as Lipseys. I am sure the collectors would line up for that.
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saleen322, if you don't mind me asking, could you share your reload data with me. I'm impressed with your target and would like to try what you use.
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The best, most consistent load is a Lapua 98 HBWC, 1.7-1.8 grains of AA2 in a Remington case. Any quality small pistol primer. I usually use Remington SP but I have not seen much difference if you use Federal, CCI, etc.

Close to this is a Magtech 98 WC with 1.4-1.5 Win Super Target (WST) powder. If you cast bullets, the Saeco WC that comes out around 97.5 grains with 1.4 WST. I tried a lot of other molds but nothing came close so far. I give you a variance of 0.1 grain because it is so sensitive that sometimes one pistol may like 1.4 and another 1.5. The case is so small that you need to try to stay consistent in powder. The other thing is you want to seat the WC just below the case mouth so you can crimp the mouth just a little. This gives more consistent ignition and helps feeding. Hope this helps.
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Why? You have found two that are extremely accurate. What difference does it make in this day's world economy?
I guess I like to buy American first if given the opportunity. I've said for years that Ruger should offer their "Mk" pistols in .32. All they would have to do is over bore the heavy barrel, redesign the bolt, add heavier recoil spring, redesign magazine. That's all that is different in my two Benelli pistols. I can snap the mag from the .22 into the .32 and vice versa, it's all the same parts except what I mentioned above. Ruger could offer the .32 Mk pistol as an entry level centerfire target pistol. They already claim the .22 is a target pistol, so why not a .32? The Benelli .32 sells new for $1100. I think Ruger could beat that price.
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.32 S&W Long is a very accurate cartridge in a well built semi-automatic. This variety of pistol is designed for precision shooting at twenty-five and fifty yards - meters in Europe. Mostly twenty-five meters.

Bullseye 2700 shooting is a dying discipline in the United States. In Europe, it is one of the few handgun shooting sports available.

In all fairness, .32 S&W Long is a rather inadequate defensive round. It has it's place, but it's not high on the desirable list. Other uses - other than formal target shooting and self defense - are few and rather limited for this round.

As has been mentioned, there isn't much demand for the round. Too many handgun shooters are obsessed with firing multiple rounds (in an accepted caliber) in a very short time.
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Old December 7, 2017, 05:48 PM   #49
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You don't consider 50 yards or meters as long range!!!!

yeah ok.....if you say so...
It's really not that bad once you try it. If you're "in the zone" mentally, you don't really notice the difference. The black on the 50 yard target is larger than the 25 yard target, though both have identical scoring rings. When you raise the pistol, concentrate on the front sight, you don't even notice the target is 50 yards away.

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Pardini makes a .32acp target pistol. Extremely accurate. You can switch uppers on the same frame, .22lr and .32acp.
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Old December 9, 2017, 09:03 AM   #50
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As for the 32acp... I am a mediocre pistol shooter who owns a half dozen or so pistols in that caliber. All of them except one are so-so in accuracy. (Probably because the others are all roughly PPK sized.)

My Beretta Model 100 (with 6" barrel and large adjustable sights) is as accurate for me as any of my other centerfire pistols. I never shoot past 25 yards, so maybe it would be worse at long range.

My only 32 S&W long handguns are revolvers. The most accurate is actually in 32 H&R magnum, but I almost always shoot 32 S&W long out of it. It is a Ruger Single Six, also with 6" barrel and adjustable sights. It is very accurate.

It would be awesome to have a target pistol in that caliber, but I will never have enough money to get one.

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