C&R records question

[houndawg]

From what I understand we are supposed to keep a record of the guns we've bought NOT using out FFL. For example, you went to the gun store, bought a gun, and filled out a 4473. Does record have to include all guns you've bought without your FFL, or just the ones you've bought since you got licensed? What if you can't find the receipts for the guns and you can't remember what dates you got them?

[Hkmp5sd]

You have to list all C&R guns in your bound book, regardless of how you acquired it. For C&R guns bought before your license, just do your best guestimate.

[houndawg]

I'm not talking about the C&R bound book. I'm talking about the Personal Firearms record. And no, you don't have to list C&R weapons bought without the C&R in your bound book, just the ones you bought with the C&R.

[Hkmp5sd]

(f) Firearms receipt and disposition by licensed collectors. Each licensed collector shall enter into a record each receipt and disposition of firearms curios or relics. The record required by this paragraph shall be maintained in bound form under the format prescribed below. The purchase or other acquisition of a curio or relic shall, except as provided in paragraph (g) of this section, be recorded not later than the close of the next business day following the date of such purchase or other acquisition. The record shall show the date of receipt, the name and address or the name and license number of the person from whom received, the name of the manufacturer and importer (if any), the model, serial number, type, and the caliber or gauge of the firearm curio or relic. The sale or other disposition of a curio or relic shall be recorded by the licensed collector not later than 7 days following the date of such transaction. When such disposition is made to a licensee, the commercial record of the transaction shall be retained, until the transaction is recorded, separate from other commercial documents maintained by the licensee, and be readily available for inspection . The record shall show the date of the sale or other disposition of each firearm curio or relic, the name and address of the person to whom the firearm curio or relic is transferred, or the name and license number of the person to whom transferred if such person is a licensee, and the dateof birth of the transferee if other than a licensee. In addition, the licensee shall-

A licensed collector is not required to maintain a listing of personally owned non-C&R guns.

[EOD Guy]

And no, you don't have to list C&R weapons bought without the C&R in your bound book, just the ones you bought with the C&R

Sorry, but that is incorrect. You must log all C&R firearms you acquire while licensed. About 12 - 18 months ago, BATF sent a letter to all licensees reemphasizing the point that ALL C&R acquisitions while licensed must be logged.