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Old November 22, 2013, 08:48 PM   #1
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30-30 reloading

OK, after waiting three months, my Hornady 160 Gr. FTX bullets arrived. So I have these powders on hand: Norma 202, AA 4064, IMR 4064,4895, Win 748, AA2520, and Varget. So anyone have suggestions? Thanks.
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Old November 22, 2013, 11:30 PM   #2
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4064 is a good one, I used Varget with my FTXs and like them. I also know you can call Hornady and they got paperwork with their powders they tried also. They'll send it to you or email it to you. Great bullets for the 30-30
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Old November 23, 2013, 06:38 AM   #3
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LeveRevolution powder works great with 160 FTXs with my Marlin 336 XLR.

Got the best results with that powder just under the factory ammo velocities.
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Old November 23, 2013, 08:06 AM   #4
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I dug out my original Speer 10 manual to check but Win 748 is what I loaded my 30/30 with back in the day. I remember it was quite accurate and the Winchester powders dispensed easily.

4064 would be another good one.

Today I load with 3031. I know it is a bit hot but I put 150's over 30 grns of 3031 and my Win 94's love them.
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Old November 23, 2013, 09:49 AM   #5
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Hornady 7th gives a load for IMR 4064, but not the other powders you mention. If you can find data for the other powders, they would likely be OK.

I am also going to cast a vote for 3031 for the 30-30.
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Old November 23, 2013, 01:14 PM   #6
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Load data for several of those powders that is specific to the FTX is listed online at the Hodgdon site. The longer rubber tip boat tail has more bullet below the waterline than its ancestors and has case volume issues. Hornady also recommends trimming .010 below SAMMI max on case length for that bullet. It would be a mistake to assume the max loads for the 160 fall between conventional 150 and 170 data.

I like the way 748 throws from the measure.
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Old November 23, 2013, 01:41 PM   #7
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Thanks for the info, I would have liked to use Lever revolution powder if it was available, as it gives velocity im after, and IMR 3031..I gave up ever finding that again.
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Old November 23, 2013, 02:07 PM   #8
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Old November 23, 2013, 02:11 PM   #9
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I scored some LVR but haven't worked up a load yet. Next hottest I can find published data for are H4895 and AA2520. I previously gave up on hot 30-30 loads because I was shortening case life to get speeds that flat tips rapidly lost. Now that the FTX can maintain that speed I'll explore the upper limits again. FTX + LVR = legit 250+ yard range.

Also, be advised the first FTX in your tube(last one to come out of the tube) may not feed reliably in many vintage levers. Rubber tip wants to stay centered in the concave follower and it may not slide up the loading ramp properly.
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Old November 23, 2013, 04:13 PM   #10
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Well me of little Faith, I found both IMR 3031 and Lever revolution at Bruno's, and got some coming, Shoot safe and Thanks for all the help.
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Old November 23, 2013, 04:14 PM   #11
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You can probably work up good loads with several of the powders you have. W748 is probably the one I'd start with except that I just checked Western's new data for AA 2520 and they loaded with the FTX. You can download the new Western Powder #5 load guide at either the Accurate or Ramshot websites and you can request a printed copy as well. TAC would be another great choice if you had it. If I were you I'd probably build loads with both 748 and 2520 to see which is most accurate at the peformance level you want.
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Old November 23, 2013, 05:19 PM   #12
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I have a Winchester publication about 30 years old. It says to mimic their factory loads from back then, use 748, with 34.5 gr for 150 gr bullet and 32 gr for 170 gr bullet.
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Old November 24, 2013, 10:09 PM   #13
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I have the 9th edition of Hornady's reloading manual and will give you the info. They suggest Win 748 gave them the best results in accuracy and uniformity. I'll give you info based on the powers you have available and a couple others suggested. All data is for max load of powders.

gr. velocity

Win 748 - 31.5 2050
IMR 4895 29.8 2000
Accurate 2520 31.7 2100
Lever Revolution 37 2300
TAC 29.7 2100

Varget wasn't listed but may be found at their website. Hope this helps. Any other questions, let me know if I can help.
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Old November 24, 2013, 10:51 PM   #14
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Here is an old thread for varget. Back before I could find any data for the FTX. Still using that combo.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...ghlight=varget
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Old November 25, 2013, 12:10 AM   #15
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BL-C(2)

If you want maximum velocity within allowable pressure limits consider Hodgdon's BL-C(2). Can't go wrong with 748 or 4895 either; unless you use too much of it.
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Old November 25, 2013, 11:02 AM   #16
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You'll probably notice when you get your LVR powder that Mr Hodgdon prints recipes on the label. First one shows 35.5C as the max for 160 FTX. Bottle doesn't mention Hornady's less than SAMMI trim length recommendation(trim to 2.029" and max 2.039"). One of the Win '94s in my family has min freebore and has a history of showing hotter with longer trim lengths.

I get nervous when folks mention generic 30-30 data in an FTX thread. My first FTX loads were for my 307 Win, before I had FTX specific data and my guess that the 160FTX was halfway between the 150 and 170 was wrong. I wound up pulling my starting loads and starting over lower.
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Old November 25, 2013, 12:16 PM   #17
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I get nervous when folks mention generic 30-30 data in an FTX thread. My first FTX loads were for my 307 Win, before I had FTX specific data and my guess that the 160FTX was halfway between the 150 and 170 was wrong. I wound up pulling my starting loads and starting over lower.
I share your reservations - Wound up having to replace the barrel on my Marlin 30-30 after loading/firing the HDY 160gr FTX using generic 170gr jacketed load data & RL15. While it wasn't a catastrophic failure, it certainly made me reconsider using load data for similar or slightly-heavier bullets despite it being a somewhat commonly accepted practice.
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Old November 25, 2013, 12:28 PM   #18
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My opinion is if it says trim shorter , longer or max powder this or that we still shouldn't never have a problem. Like all loads you should always start low and work up (Always). Never should know where danger zone is and go there and crank out 400 rds and start shooting. As long as you start low and work up you'll never have a problem.
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Old November 25, 2013, 01:09 PM   #19
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YunGun... I had a few pretty stiff extractions and stopped. When I discovered my new lower max I felt lucky the Win 307 Big Bore is a combination of a strong gun and thick brass. 307/FTX data wasn't available yet, but I could(and should) have gone to school on the 30-30 data and noticed the case volume and trim issues.

Always good to put lessons learned out there. Old saying in aviation safety was learn from others mistakes ....because you won't live long enough to make them all yourself.
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Old November 27, 2013, 12:02 AM   #20
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Pathfinder45, too funny! To the OP: I run 170gr Hornady FN and 34.0gr RL#15.
VERY good load! Just a little tid-bit there.
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