Swedish 12mm or US Remington?

sammleren · August 29, 2010, 01:32 PM

Hi.

I am a new mwmber on this site.

And i have a question for you. Resently i bougth a RB and it had no marking on the barel or stock. I wil post piqtures of the RB and i hope you wil tel me who made it.

Or lock at this site for the rest of the piqtures.
http://www.forum.svartkrutt.net/inde...thread&id=7739

mete · August 29, 2010, 03:57 PM

The Remington rolling block was the military rifle of 24 countries as I remember. The cartridge in question is the 12.11x44R Remington M67 Norway & Sweden . Introduced in 1867 and used until replaced in 1881.
I don't know if these rifles were Remington made or made in Sweden or Norway under contract.

Jim Watson · August 29, 2010, 03:58 PM

Swedish.
The screw head action pins and individual retaining screws are the giveaway.
A real Remington has plain pins and a common retaining plate between them, held by one screw.
SOME Swedes have that, too, but no Remingtons have the separate screws.

One site shows some pictures and lists a bewildering number of variations:
http://dutchman.rebooty.com/6774.html

James K · August 29, 2010, 04:03 PM

It is certainly not U.S. All U.S. made Remingtons used pins for the hammer and breech block, retained by a single plate held on by a screw.

It is a Model 1867 Norwegian/Swedish rifle. Norway and Sweden were one country from 1814 to 1905, and that rifle was made in both areas (now countries). Rifles were built in Norway by Kongsberg Vapenfabrikk and Hovedarsenalet in Oslo (then Christiana) and in Sweden by Husqvarna Vapenfabrik. AFAIK, only those Scandanavian makers replaced the pins with screws, and added capture screws (like those on some Mauser trigger guard screws) to keep the large screws from turning.

All those military rifles, though, had a plentitude of markings - numbers, letters and crowns galore. But many were converted to sporters in both countries and some in the U.S. and it is possible that markings were removed in the process. It is also possible that some sporters were made which did not have the military markings, but I would think they would at least have a maker's name.

Jim

August 29, 2010, 03:57 PM	#2
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 6,575	The Remington rolling block was the military rifle of 24 countries as I remember. The cartridge in question is the 12.11x44R Remington M67 Norway & Sweden . Introduced in 1867 and used until replaced in 1881. I don't know if these rifles were Remington made or made in Sweden or Norway under contract. __________________ And Watson , bring your revolver !

August 29, 2010, 03:58 PM	#3
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,535	Swedish. The screw head action pins and individual retaining screws are the giveaway. A real Remington has plain pins and a common retaining plate between them, held by one screw. SOME Swedes have that, too, but no Remingtons have the separate screws. One site shows some pictures and lists a bewildering number of variations: http://dutchman.rebooty.com/6774.html

August 29, 2010, 04:03 PM	#4
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	It is certainly not U.S. All U.S. made Remingtons used pins for the hammer and breech block, retained by a single plate held on by a screw. It is a Model 1867 Norwegian/Swedish rifle. Norway and Sweden were one country from 1814 to 1905, and that rifle was made in both areas (now countries). Rifles were built in Norway by Kongsberg Vapenfabrikk and Hovedarsenalet in Oslo (then Christiana) and in Sweden by Husqvarna Vapenfabrik. AFAIK, only those Scandanavian makers replaced the pins with screws, and added capture screws (like those on some Mauser trigger guard screws) to keep the large screws from turning. All those military rifles, though, had a plentitude of markings - numbers, letters and crowns galore. But many were converted to sporters in both countries and some in the U.S. and it is possible that markings were removed in the process. It is also possible that some sporters were made which did not have the military markings, but I would think they would at least have a maker's name. Jim