Range rod - Page 2

rebs · November 11, 2015, 12:52 PM

I went to a Ace Hardware and they had escutcheon pins 16 x 1 inch. They look a lot better for the job. Thank you for telling me about them, I appreciate it. I plan to use a drill bit that allows them to go in somewhat snug and also use Gorilla glue on them to hold them in place.

HiBC · November 12, 2015, 02:25 AM

Nothing wrong with using the glue.I might use a small countersink or even a knife blade to put small chamfers on the hole I drilled through the ferrule.Not much,just a little.Barely break the corner,about .005 or so.
Then when you put your escutcheon pin through you can peen the ends of the pin just a little,like a rivet..It will expand into that chamfer.

Then lightly file over it ,so its flush.It won't fall out.

Branko · November 12, 2015, 06:45 AM

The problem is pulling out a well-seated bullet, rest of the activities aren't nearly as stressful on the rod.

Personally I use stainless steel which is threaded on one side so you can put in various extensions, and you know a steel rod definitely will not break.

rebs · November 12, 2015, 06:59 AM

with the brass ends with small threads what are the chances of pulling out the threads ? Has this ever happened to anyone when pulling a stuck bullet ?

HiBC · November 12, 2015, 07:26 AM

I suggest you just pin it,use it,and don't worry about it.

If you are going to use a wooden rod,it does not get much better.

But I'll say again,having a 50 BMG GI rod in the truck is a good thing.

Typical jags,worms,etc screw on just fine.If you get a chance at one,I'd recommend it

Pahoo · November 12, 2015, 01:55 PM

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with the brass ends with small threads what are the chances of pulling out the threads ? Has this ever happened to anyone when pulling a stuck bullet ?

NEVER !!!
As previously stated, I have pulled RB's, conicals and Saboted rounds and not even a sign of wear. .......

Enjoy and;
Be Safe !!!

Hawg · November 12, 2015, 09:03 PM

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with the brass ends with small threads what are the chances of pulling out the threads ? Has this ever happened to anyone when pulling a stuck bullet ?

No and I've had a couple so tight I had to lock the rod tip in a vice and snatch the rifle off of it.

rebs · November 16, 2015, 12:44 PM

what about a T handle ? I have seen aluminum ones with aluminum threads and others with brass threads. Which is better or preferred ?

kwhi43 · November 17, 2015, 12:17 AM

Very very dangerous . See my post in "T Handle" thread

Old Stony · November 17, 2015, 05:06 AM

I have one range rod that I really like made from brass. The extra weight is sure nice when you get a round that is being a little obstinate about going all the way down.

rebs · November 17, 2015, 09:56 AM

I meant a T handle for cleaning and pulling a stuck ball, not for pushing the ball down the barrel.

HiBC · November 17, 2015, 03:06 PM

I understand enjoying the aesthetics of traditional wood rod while loading and shooting.
When something goes wrong,its OK to use the best tool available.

IMO,it can be modern.

Stuck ball? Two kinds.

One,trying to take too many shots between swabbing the bore.An aggravating factor is using too much powder.
Extra powder is sort of like an engine running rich and carboning up.If things get crunchy after 5 rounds,back off your charge.
If you moisten your patches with something like Black Solve and have the right charge,you should get plenty of shots off without needing to swab.
Then,have a feel for it,and run a wet patch as needed.

The other problem would be forgetting to put the powder in.

How often does that happen?

I don't recall if I ever had to do this,its been decades...but seems to me by pulling the nipple out of my Griffin hook breech,or the drum screw out of a conventional side hammer, enough 3 F or 4F can be fed in behind the ball to bloop it out of the barrel.Others may have more to say about it.

I never had to use a ball puller.

Now,day in ,day out loading,etc,I would not use a sectioned rod.

But,right now,on e-bay,are sectional steel 50 BMG tee-handled cleaning rods.They should be able to pull anything.

Cleaning?I used to pop the bbl out of my Hawken.

I modified a Water-Pik hand held shower handle by cutting it off and epoxying a 3 ft piece of 3/8 brass tube in it.

I'd screw that on the hose,insert it clear to the breech.I had a tag of wire to hook to a ramrod thimble.A prep wet patch with black solve won't hurt

Then I'd turn on the hot water.

Full pressure hot water blasted into the breech ,pumping the crud out

And the barrel would be hot when I was done.

A few dry patches and an oily one,I was done.

November 11, 2015, 12:52 PM	#26
rebs Senior Member Join Date: January 10, 2012 Posts: 3,881	I went to a Ace Hardware and they had escutcheon pins 16 x 1 inch. They look a lot better for the job. Thank you for telling me about them, I appreciate it. I plan to use a drill bit that allows them to go in somewhat snug and also use Gorilla glue on them to hold them in place.

November 12, 2015, 02:25 AM	#27
HiBC Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 2006 Posts: 8,286	Nothing wrong with using the glue.I might use a small countersink or even a knife blade to put small chamfers on the hole I drilled through the ferrule.Not much,just a little.Barely break the corner,about .005 or so. Then when you put your escutcheon pin through you can peen the ends of the pin just a little,like a rivet..It will expand into that chamfer. Then lightly file over it ,so its flush.It won't fall out.

November 12, 2015, 06:45 AM	#28
Branko Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2015 Location: Croatia Posts: 188	The problem is pulling out a well-seated bullet, rest of the activities aren't nearly as stressful on the rod. Personally I use stainless steel which is threaded on one side so you can put in various extensions, and you know a steel rod definitely will not break.

November 12, 2015, 06:59 AM	#29
rebs Senior Member Join Date: January 10, 2012 Posts: 3,881	with the brass ends with small threads what are the chances of pulling out the threads ? Has this ever happened to anyone when pulling a stuck bullet ?

November 12, 2015, 07:26 AM	#30
HiBC Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 2006 Posts: 8,286	I suggest you just pin it,use it,and don't worry about it. If you are going to use a wooden rod,it does not get much better. But I'll say again,having a 50 BMG GI rod in the truck is a good thing. Typical jags,worms,etc screw on just fine.If you get a chance at one,I'd recommend it

November 16, 2015, 12:44 PM	#33
rebs Senior Member Join Date: January 10, 2012 Posts: 3,881	what about a T handle ? I have seen aluminum ones with aluminum threads and others with brass threads. Which is better or preferred ?

November 17, 2015, 12:17 AM	#34
kwhi43 Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2008 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1,393	Very very dangerous . See my post in "T Handle" thread

November 17, 2015, 05:06 AM	#35
Old Stony Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2013 Location: East Texas Posts: 1,705	I have one range rod that I really like made from brass. The extra weight is sure nice when you get a round that is being a little obstinate about going all the way down.

November 17, 2015, 09:56 AM	#36
rebs Senior Member Join Date: January 10, 2012 Posts: 3,881	I meant a T handle for cleaning and pulling a stuck ball, not for pushing the ball down the barrel.

November 17, 2015, 03:06 PM	#37
HiBC Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 2006 Posts: 8,286	I understand enjoying the aesthetics of traditional wood rod while loading and shooting. When something goes wrong,its OK to use the best tool available. IMO,it can be modern. Stuck ball? Two kinds. One,trying to take too many shots between swabbing the bore.An aggravating factor is using too much powder. Extra powder is sort of like an engine running rich and carboning up.If things get crunchy after 5 rounds,back off your charge. If you moisten your patches with something like Black Solve and have the right charge,you should get plenty of shots off without needing to swab. Then,have a feel for it,and run a wet patch as needed. The other problem would be forgetting to put the powder in. How often does that happen? I don't recall if I ever had to do this,its been decades...but seems to me by pulling the nipple out of my Griffin hook breech,or the drum screw out of a conventional side hammer, enough 3 F or 4F can be fed in behind the ball to bloop it out of the barrel.Others may have more to say about it. I never had to use a ball puller. Now,day in ,day out loading,etc,I would not use a sectioned rod. But,right now,on e-bay,are sectional steel 50 BMG tee-handled cleaning rods.They should be able to pull anything. Cleaning?I used to pop the bbl out of my Hawken. I modified a Water-Pik hand held shower handle by cutting it off and epoxying a 3 ft piece of 3/8 brass tube in it. I'd screw that on the hose,insert it clear to the breech.I had a tag of wire to hook to a ramrod thimble.A prep wet patch with black solve won't hurt Then I'd turn on the hot water. Full pressure hot water blasted into the breech ,pumping the crud out And the barrel would be hot when I was done. A few dry patches and an oily one,I was done.