How do you handle this confrontation - Page 2

spacemanspiff · June 25, 2014, 03:55 PM

Wheres the 'Like' button for Willie's posts?

Mainah · June 25, 2014, 04:27 PM

^ That would be at least two likes. Sometimes the best course of action is to let a little man feel like a big man and walk away. Many years ago when I got a job as a bouncer the first advice my boss gave me was "be real careful with the quiet ones."

meadams314 · June 25, 2014, 05:32 PM

I just have one thing to ad. Just pulling your gun can and will change your life.

Also, call 911 ASAP.

I had to pull my 1911 once, and was greeted with hysterical screams of "he's got a gun he's got a gun call 911!!! call 911!!!" from the 6 foot 4 man who had just hit my wife and threatened to "bury" me as he advanced with his hand reaching for his pocket. His girlfriend called 911 and started making up some BS about some "crazy man" who was "waving a gun in their faces" and of course they had done nothing wrong. Luckily I was able to get my wife and myself out of the situation, place a call to 911 myself, and once the police showed up they determined I was being reasonable, polite, and cooperative while the other two were resisting and being loud and belligerent. My case was given to the DA who decided not to press any charges against me, as luckily again I live in a state where pulling a gun on someone who is threatening your life is perfectly acceptable.

Moral of the story, avoid shooting someone if you can. Call 911, get on record ASAP. If you HAVE to pull the trigger, do so without hesitation.

spacemanspiff · June 25, 2014, 05:56 PM

Not trying to go off topic, in relation to meadams post, remember a few years back the video that spread of the old guy on the bus that was being harrassed and finally assaulted by a young punk, and the old guy beat him up?
On that video you hear bystanders saying to the young punk 'beat him up! whip his ***!', things like that. But soon as the tables turned and the young punk was the one being beat down, the bystanders then were defending the punk and saying the old guy was going to get arrested, and 'they got it ALL on video'.
Yes, they certainly did, enough evidence to prove the old guy was not the aggressor.

Now back to your regular programming.

A400 Fan · June 25, 2014, 07:31 PM

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But, Mr. Steroid managed to find him, pulled up and jumps out of his car. My relative continues to open the distance, but Mr. Steroid begins approaching him threatening to kick his ass.

So, what is the correct course of action here?

In FL, we have a legal recourse for that. Stand Your Ground. No need to retreat, no need to fear using deadly force. I watched a road rage incident the other day where some yahoo in a caddy Escalade had cut someone off and then tries repeatedly to run him off the road. I was about to call FHP after a few minutes when the cars separated. The other driver would have been justified had that person gotten out and threatened him. Do you have the same laws in KY?

Glenn E. Meyer · June 25, 2014, 07:39 PM

If you are implying the law suggests a stupid tactic of waiting for a confrontation as you might be able to use lethal force -then that's flat out ridiculous.

If you shoot someone just approaching and cursing, then I think you won't find the law that friendly.

spacemanspiff · June 25, 2014, 08:02 PM

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No need to retreat, no need to fear using deadly force.

Thats wonderful! Cause the rest of us are petrified with fear of ever having to use deadly force.

Does the Stand Your Ground law negate the need to use common sense?

Glenn E. Meyer · June 25, 2014, 08:08 PM

We are not contributing to flow of human knowledge anymore.

The subforum mods can reopen but I think I will call it for the night.

Closed.

**Frank Ettin** · June 25, 2014, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by A400 Fan

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But, Mr. Steroid managed to find him, pulled up and jumps out of his car. My relative continues to open the distance, but Mr. Steroid begins approaching him threatening to kick his ass.

So, what is the correct course of action here?

In FL, we have a legal recourse for that. Stand Your Ground. No need to retreat, no need to fear using deadly force. I watched a road rage incident the other day where some yahoo in a caddy Escalade had cut someone off and then tries repeatedly to run him off the road. I was about to call FHP after a few minutes when the cars separated. The other driver would have been justified had that person gotten out and threatened him. Do you have the same laws in KY?

I'm going to just add that the foregoing reflects a common misunderstanding of Stand-Your-Ground laws.

Anyone who wants to educate himself on such matters should look here and here.

June 25, 2014, 03:55 PM	#26
spacemanspiff Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2002 Location: alaska Posts: 3,498	Wheres the 'Like' button for Willie's posts? __________________ "Every man alone is sincere; at the entrance of a second person hypocrisy begins." - Ralph Waldo Emerson "People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use." - Soren Kierkegaard

June 25, 2014, 05:56 PM	#29
spacemanspiff Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2002 Location: alaska Posts: 3,498	Not trying to go off topic, in relation to meadams post, remember a few years back the video that spread of the old guy on the bus that was being harrassed and finally assaulted by a young punk, and the old guy beat him up? On that video you hear bystanders saying to the young punk 'beat him up! whip his ***!', things like that. But soon as the tables turned and the young punk was the one being beat down, the bystanders then were defending the punk and saying the old guy was going to get arrested, and 'they got it ALL on video'. Yes, they certainly did, enough evidence to prove the old guy was not the aggressor. Now back to your regular programming. __________________ "Every man alone is sincere; at the entrance of a second person hypocrisy begins." - Ralph Waldo Emerson "People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use." - Soren Kierkegaard

June 25, 2014, 07:39 PM	#31
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	If you are implying the law suggests a stupid tactic of waiting for a confrontation as you might be able to use lethal force -then that's flat out ridiculous. If you shoot someone just approaching and cursing, then I think you won't find the law that friendly. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

June 25, 2014, 08:08 PM	#33
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	We are not contributing to flow of human knowledge anymore. The subforum mods can reopen but I think I will call it for the night. Closed. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

June 25, 2014, 04:27 PM	#27
Mainah Senior Member Join Date: July 9, 2007 Posts: 1,119	^ That would be at least two likes. Sometimes the best course of action is to let a little man feel like a big man and walk away. Many years ago when I got a job as a bouncer the first advice my boss gave me was "be real careful with the quiet ones."

June 25, 2014, 05:32 PM	#28
meadams314 Member Join Date: April 4, 2013 Posts: 26	I just have one thing to ad. Just pulling your gun can and will change your life. Also, call 911 ASAP. I had to pull my 1911 once, and was greeted with hysterical screams of "he's got a gun he's got a gun call 911!!! call 911!!!" from the 6 foot 4 man who had just hit my wife and threatened to "bury" me as he advanced with his hand reaching for his pocket. His girlfriend called 911 and started making up some BS about some "crazy man" who was "waving a gun in their faces" and of course they had done nothing wrong. Luckily I was able to get my wife and myself out of the situation, place a call to 911 myself, and once the police showed up they determined I was being reasonable, polite, and cooperative while the other two were resisting and being loud and belligerent. My case was given to the DA who decided not to press any charges against me, as luckily again I live in a state where pulling a gun on someone who is threatening your life is perfectly acceptable. Moral of the story, avoid shooting someone if you can. Call 911, get on record ASAP. If you HAVE to pull the trigger, do so without hesitation.