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View Poll Results: Best Pistol
Smith & Wesson 52 7.83%
Sig 106 15.96%
Glock 149 22.44%
Ruger 26 3.92%
Springfield 48 7.23%
Colt 48 7.23%
HK 57 8.58%
Walther 16 2.41%
Khar 9 1.36%
Kimber 28 4.22%
Desert Eagle 3 0.45%
Makarov (Stichken included) 7 1.05%
Beretta 33 4.97%
CZ 49 7.38%
Taurus 7 1.05%
Browning (FN) 18 2.71%
Para Ord. 3 0.45%
Star 2 0.30%
Mauser (Luger included) 2 0.30%
Korth 1 0.15%
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Old April 27, 2008, 10:15 PM   #301
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BEST PISTOL? Is this for CCW, would be the one you could handle, meaning concealment, quick draw and shooting etc. I still pick my Mil Spec but sometimes a carry a S&M 442 when in a suit.
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Old April 27, 2008, 11:40 PM   #302
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my favorite all around is my Glock 23.

Small enough to conceal, .40 is powerful enough for home/vehicle/personal protection, always goes bang (2000+ rounds and not a single failure yet), and can take more abuse than you can dish out.

A lot of people dislike Glocks but I wouldn't give mine up for anything.

Just MHO however
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Old April 28, 2008, 09:05 AM   #303
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Why does the Glock grip angle only seem to be a problem for those who dislike Glocks with a passion? I went from a 1911 to a .25 to a Glock with no problem. The Glock points naturally for me. I think this grip angle thing is so overrated.
Yeah. I've seen women (yes, with small hands; smaller than the average guy) fire a Glock 20 (same size as Glock 21) with NO problems whatsoever. I've read on another forum some guy let a 16 year old GIRL shoot his Glock 20 (with 165 gr. DoubleTap rounds, no less...) and had no problem! Amazing, right?

So the "small hands" excuse is bunk; so is the "bad angle" excuse bunk, as well. TOTALLY bunk. It's only the nitpicking person that complains about "being uncomfortable" with Glock grip. Oh please, if it were that bad, hundreds of thousands of police officers around the nation and world would give up on 'em in a heartbeat... but they haven't yet, and they (Glocks) have been in service in multiple police agencies for 20+ years so far, and still going strong.

Gee... I wonder why? It doesn't take a genius to know why! Glocks are universally awesome guns, and only nitpicking babies () complain about certain things they hate about Glocks, instead of being patient and giving 'em a chance.

Again, as I've repeated on many posts in many different forums: The "hump" on the back of the Glock grip is there because of the hole at the bottom-rear; the hole is there so one can slip their finger inside to more effectively grasp the magazine and pull it out, in case it ever gets jammed up there for some reason. There is a tactically sound combat REASON why Glocks have this hump, people... REMEMBER that!

And, you can always "reduce" this hump by simply heating it up and pushing it in to how far you're comortable with. I'd still suggest you leave enough room so you can get enough finger in the hole to grab the magazine well enough!

So, yes, the "hump" on top of the double-stacked rounds make Glock grips bigger than the usual pistol grip, but not impossible to grasp onto and shoot effectively, IF people would stop nitpicking, and give them a chance (or two).

They'll love that big grip once their mag jams in combat and they can grab the magazine quickly to pull it out!

Also, I've read that a bigger grip helps spread out the recoil on Glocks, especially full power "Magnum" Glocks, such as the Glock 20 and 29 in 10mm.
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Old April 28, 2008, 09:18 AM   #304
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For CCW, I pick the 10mm Glock 29:



That's basically TRUE .357 Magnum power (and greater) in an 11-round capacity, compact / sub compact sized pistol; which is reliable, durable and simple to operate and clean. With full-power rounds, the Glock 29 is more controllable than a .357 Magnum revolver snubby, too! Want more ammunition capicity? Simply throw in a 15-round Glock 20 magazine, and you're good to go; just throw on an aftermarket magazine sleeve to cover the mag, and it's now basically an extended grip Glock 29; only difference is, it'll have a slightly smaller barrel than the Glock 20.

Without grip extensions, I've read some people literally ankle-carry their G29's! Heavy? Yeah, but at least it's possible for when it's truly needed / wanted, right?

Throw some DoubleTap 10mm rounds in there, and it might not get any better than that!
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Old April 28, 2008, 02:10 PM   #305
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Yeah Northalius, that's why CCFRaceframes is making the aluminum glock frame with different dimentions and a 1911 backstrap as an option. In fact here is their answer to an apparently often asked question:

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Will your frames fit a small handed shooter? I have a G22 and find the grip to large for me to comfortably reach the trigger.

The CCF RaceFrame will fit smaller hands better, even with the standard rear (original GlockĀ® configuration) grip strap as the thumbrest shelves both go forward and their channels turn the front corner of the grip, shortening effective trigger reach circumference. Additionally, the upsweep or rake to the beavertail has been angled more steeply or radically, which effectively also reduces trigger reach circumference. The addition of the 1911 rear grip strap makes the grip considerably smaller and improves ergonomics for both small and large handed shooters (as well as providing the much sought after 1911 grip angle for target acquisition).
Lets not forget the fact that Glock had to come out with the GAP round so normally proportioned humans can actually grip the large bore autos. Oh yeah, lets not also forget the new and improved G21 SF and G30 SF, I guess the grip angle and circumference was so perfect they felt the need to change it. I must be the only one around who thinks the grip on the Glock large bore handguns is poor. Please.:barf:
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Old April 28, 2008, 02:52 PM   #306
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Uh... no genius. They came out with the SF models because they wanted to grab the other share of the market, the complainers and sissy-boys who were going to other pistols because Glocks' grips were supposedly too big. It's a business choice they made, just to keep the customers happy. People can still shoot full sized Glock 20's; again, I've seen small women do it, so it's possible. But you always get the whiners complaining about "Being totally comfortable" when shooting. Please, this is a combat pistol, not a freakin' luxury sedan automobile that you have to drive in for hours at a time. It's a gun to save your life, and the hole is there in case the magazine gets jammed inside, you can easily grasp it now. The hole does make the grip slighly wider from front to back, but for a good reason, I'd say... a good TACTICAL reason.

Seems hundreds of thousands of police officers have no problems with regular Glocks, huh? Why didn't they all drop them because the grips were supposedly like 4x4's in their hands? I know why, because those that say such ignorant statements are whiny nitpickers that think guns are for comfortable fun at the range, not used for survival on the streets or in war.
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Old April 28, 2008, 02:56 PM   #307
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I havent really read the thread, imagine its alot of glock vs. everything from the ususal thread crashers...That wont stop me from saying SIG 239!
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Old April 28, 2008, 04:20 PM   #308
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Seems hundreds of thousands of police officers have no problems with regular Glocks, huh?
90% don't give a crap whats in they're holster.
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Please, this is a combat pistol
sure hasen't won many military contracts,and I'd rather carry 2 more M16 mags.

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Old April 28, 2008, 06:29 PM   #309
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Oh Northalius, calling people names is a sure sign you have no argument left. Its cool though, I don't take it personally, but this whiny nitpicker cares about quality in a pistol, not plastic crap with the ergonomics apparently thought up by bigfoot. It makes a difference, when you grow up a bit you will find out.
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Old April 28, 2008, 06:57 PM   #310
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Why does the Glock grip angle only seem to be a problem for those who dislike Glocks with a passion?
It's not. I have a great deal of respect for Glock pistols and what the design has accomplished. I have shot most of the lineup. I wish I liked the way it felt in my hand. I don't, and that matters to me. I would ask you this: why are the personal experiences and opinions of others for whom Glocks are not a good fit so offensive to those who love Glocks with a passion?
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So the "small hands" excuse is bunk; so is the "bad angle" excuse bunk, as well. TOTALLY bunk. It's only the nitpicking person that complains about "being uncomfortable" with Glock grip. Oh please, if it were that bad, hundreds of thousands of police officers around the nation and world would give up on 'em in a heartbeat... but they haven't yet, and they (Glocks) have been in service in multiple police agencies for 20+ years so far, and still going strong.
First, police officers, as a rule, have zero say in the guns that they are issued. As is pointed out often by those on the inside, most don't care as long as they work. And Glocks certainly do that. They work. However, the success of Glock in the police market is not a function of ergonomics.
Second, why are you offended, personally, by the ergonomics of my hand? I don't mean to nitpick, but it's my hand, and I'll be the judge of which gun feels comfortable in it, and which does not. How about I fill my hand with what works for me, and you fill yours with what works for you, and nobody insults anybody over their choice? Deal?
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Yeah. I've seen women (yes, with small hands; smaller than the average guy) fire a Glock 20 (same size as Glock 21) with NO problems whatsoever. I've read on another forum some guy let a 16 year old GIRL shoot his Glock 20 (with 165 gr. DoubleTap rounds, no less...) and had no problem! Amazing, right?
I am glad these women have found a good fit for them. Also, while I am thrilled to see youngsters get into shooting(if this second-hand internet report can be trusted), I am not going to start doing anything simply because a 16 year-old girl is doing it. I don't care for gossip, most pop music makes me nauseous, and lip gloss on a 41 year-old man is just plain creepy.
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Old April 28, 2008, 08:05 PM   #311
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Uh... no genius. They came out with the SF models because they wanted to grab the other share of the market, the complainers and sissy-boys who were going to other pistols because Glocks' grips were supposedly too big.

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I bet if his life depended upon the pistol working, that old timer would love Glock in a heartbeat. Those that don't care about their "favorite pistol" jamming, are simply in shooting for sport only, not survival in case the SHTF
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know why, because those that say such ignorant statements are whiny nitpickers that think guns are for comfortable fun at the range, not used for survival on the streets or in war.

Wow, I didnt have to go any furture than the last page to see that I was right, this thread has been ruined by the mindless glock endorsements. But no thread is properly trashed till you get the generic, right off of google image Glock cut and past pic....:barf:

Oh wait, there it is. Awesome. Are the other 12 pages this great?
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Old April 28, 2008, 10:32 PM   #312
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This thread is due for the floating Gaston head. We need to remind people of who is the mighty creator!
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Old April 28, 2008, 11:19 PM   #313
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So the "small hands" excuse is bunk; so is the "bad angle" excuse bunk, as well. TOTALLY bunk. It's only the nitpicking person that complains about "being uncomfortable" with Glock grip. Oh please, if it were that bad, hundreds of thousands of police officers around the nation and world would give up on 'em in a heartbeat... but they haven't yet, and they (Glocks) have been in service in multiple police agencies for 20+ years so far, and still going strong.
There's so much wrong with this foolishness, it hardly bears mentioning.

Bunk? Put down the Kool Aid for a minute or two. Grip angle is one of the most important factors in how a handgun (or any other firearm) fits any given shooter. Not only does it heavily influence "feel" it also strongly affects natural pointing ability. The way a pistol points in the shooter's grasp is extremely important if you ever plan to hit a target quickly. Obviously with careful aim, it doesn't have as much impact but when fractions of a second count, as they count in a self defense situation, it can have a huge effect on the outcome. If a gun doesn't fit, it doesn't fit. Calling somebody a sissy or whiner not only says volumes about your own character, it does not address the issue, an issue you are clearly ignorant of. So if all that sounds like Greek to you, you need to educate yourself on this subject before putting your foot back in your mouth.

On the grip side, I bought a G21 back around 1991 at 17yrs old. I have large hands and was able to make do with the large grip that still felt like a brick. As I grew up (there's hope for you yet) and my tastes refined the big square grip became more and more uncomfortable until I finally sold it at a profit. You can call me a sissy if you want to but I spend a pile of money for properly fitting grips on my sixguns and have very little tolerance for such a significant lack of comfort in a handgun's grip. You ignorance on this subject is to be expected.

That said, I have very little negative to say about Glocks. They are wonderful tools for the task for which they were designed. Unlike others, I don't consider them to be a viable sporting arm. As to fit, the grip angle is "okay" for me but I find a more vertical grip to be far more comfortable. Which is why I greatly prefer the 1911 for most of my autopistol duties and also why a Springfield XD .45 is my truck gun. The big XD's grip is also much more comfortable in shape, still maintaining a double stack magazine.

Like so many other things, it seems to be their biggest fans that sour a lot of people on them. You Glock true-believers do nothing but alienate people.
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Old April 29, 2008, 12:53 PM   #314
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I have lots of respect for Korth, but it got only one vote!

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Old April 29, 2008, 02:31 PM   #315
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This thread is due for the floating Gaston head. We need to remind people of who is the mighty creator!

Spare us this one thread. Honestly, it's really played out.
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Old April 29, 2008, 04:47 PM   #316
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Spare us this one thread. Honestly, it's really played out.
And you think your comment will stop me from posting The Head?
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Old April 29, 2008, 08:42 PM   #317
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Unfortunetly, no.
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Old April 29, 2008, 10:38 PM   #318
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that made me laugh. real men oughta carry a gun with nails sticking outta the grips. but plastic nails - so they're not too heavy.
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