New HK rifle

Massan · August 24, 2005, 11:59 PM

http://www.hkdefense.us/pages/milita...nes/hk416.html

So whats your view on it? Seems like a possible replacement to the M4. Wouldnt mind getting one if its out for civs.

Avid Concealer · August 25, 2005, 12:45 AM

Beautiful! I would love to have one in the 16 inch. It's gotta be $$$ though! ha!

Casp_A · August 25, 2005, 12:47 AM

All I have to say is that a weaver-topped M4gery looks pretty dang funny with HK diopter sights on it.

Klaud Wachnen · August 25, 2005, 07:02 AM

It looks like more pretty of the m16/m4 no??

I would buy one.

Charles S · August 25, 2005, 08:16 AM

I would love to try that rifle out.

Charles

281 Quad Cam · August 25, 2005, 02:56 PM

From what I have seen, it is a great rifle.

Everything you loved about the AR-15, except now it has a more dependable short stroke piston gas system, and H&K uses their own better magazines. Also something about a cold hammer forged barrel. I dont know what else has been changed. But just what I mentioned is enough to make up my mind. For me nothing beats the ergonomics and function of an AR-15... So building a better rifle out of it appeals to me. I hope they design one in a different calibre.

Silvanus · August 26, 2005, 07:14 AM

Looks a bit like the FN SCAR, but IMO the HK looks better... I'd love to buy one.

http://img77.exs.cx/img77/3980/b9tscarlight2.jpg

garrettwc · August 26, 2005, 08:05 AM

If they have truly come up with a gas system that doesn't dump all the crap back into the action then they may be on to something.

Wouldn't mind giving one a try. The other poster was probably right though Much $$$$

CobrayCommando · August 26, 2005, 05:41 PM

Why not just a damn G36?

281 Quad Cam · August 26, 2005, 09:51 PM

Not just a damn G36 because of the feel, ergonomics, balance, and function of the weapon. I love the G36 as much as the next guy, but if the AR was cured of it's issues, I would rather use a weapon of its shape and feel...

shaggy · August 27, 2005, 10:40 AM

I think I've seen a couple 416 uppers floating around on Sturmgewehr - price is sure to be stupid if you can find one. POF has a similar type gas piston upper which I think runs about $900-1000, and as I understand it, Ares Defense (of Shrike notoriety) is working on their own version. As much as I like the idea of a piston driven upper, I don't think I'm willing to pay that kind of premium for it. However, once someone figures out how to mate the HK or POF piston system with the quick change barrel system of an MGI CQB or LMT MRP, I'll be in for one (or two, or three...).

It'll be interesting to see if these eventually experience the same key-shearing problems of the ill-fated Rhino gas piston system of yesteryear. I think both the POF and Ares systems use a standard AR/M16 carrier.

fanoblack · August 27, 2005, 01:14 PM

Leitner-wise is also producing one. Its been a while since I heard anything about them, so they might have bailed or bot bought out.

fanoblack

esskay · August 28, 2005, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Leitner-wise is also producing one. Its been a while since I heard anything about them, so they might have bailed or bot bought out.

There's a thread on arfcom about this. LW is supposedly going to release more info about this shortly... but I've been on their "list" for these MRS uppers since last fall.

Pinky Carruthers · August 28, 2005, 10:50 PM

There are some of these upper out there now. They are going for $2300!! For the upper with no sights. There is a thread on Arfcom with some pictures from a guy that just bought one.

hkg3 · October 5, 2005, 04:41 PM

That is sweet!

hkg3 · October 5, 2005, 04:45 PM

Anybody have video of that thing at the range?

MD_Willington · October 5, 2005, 04:54 PM

This looks a lot like the SCAR...

http://www.robarm.com/xcrtm_gallery.htm

CQBArms · October 5, 2005, 10:18 PM

Shot both, the FN is a much more robust gun.

IZinterrogator · October 5, 2005, 10:19 PM

FN makes the SCAR, not Robinson.

FN SCAR-L

I do like the looks of the XCR, but why did HK and Robinson both go with rail-mounted iron sights? Seems like a zero shift waiting to happen to me.

The British Soldier · October 17, 2005, 06:03 AM

I wonder why HK did this? Their own G36 is an awesome weapon and comes in convenient barrel lengths; the G36K is a great carbine and I find its handling characteristics to be as good as the M4. One can add a rail system to the G36 handgaurd, so you can add as much crap to it as you like!

As an M4 clone, it should be more reliable because of the gas system; I found that M4s like the correct ammunition and did not like the cut tube propellant that we Brits put into Radway Green L2A2 rounds. We could not get consistent performace.

Any thoughts why cut tube propellant would not function in the M4?

CQBArms · October 17, 2005, 06:42 AM

The 416 and like uppers have a totally different gas system, so it's not really a clone in the sense that it's copying the old gas system. It's a piston driving gas system v. the direct gas system.

Why is Hk doing this? Because it was part of the specification for bid on an intermediate replacement for the older m4.

The gov't didn't contract for a new rifle, the contracted and bid out an interim upgrade for the m16/m4 platform.

LW makes one, Hk Makes one, POF makes one which is sold by Troy, DSA, Us and a couple others.

The British Soldier · October 18, 2005, 04:27 AM

The mist clears...

Is the US abandoning HK G36K as a component for that smart rifle concept? An over and under G36K with a 20mm 'phaser' on top of it? I read a report that indicated they were thinking of bringing in the G36K under the guise of 'XM9' [or something similar].

CQBArms · October 18, 2005, 07:22 AM

The US never adopted the G36.

Many LE and DAO's might have them but it was never purchased on contract as a replacement or upgrade to the M4 for the US military.

It's M4, M4 SOPMOD to the gas piston HK 416 and the theory is the XM8 is going to be the step upgrade after the m4 SOPMOD/416. The XM8 is based on the piston system of the G36 but wholy different in the spec and application of the fire control system.

Right now, no XM8

August 24, 2005, 11:59 PM	#1
Massan Senior Member Join Date: June 27, 2005 Posts: 171	New HK rifle http://www.hkdefense.us/pages/milita...nes/hk416.html So whats your view on it? Seems like a possible replacement to the M4. Wouldnt mind getting one if its out for civs.

August 25, 2005, 12:45 AM	#2
Avid Concealer Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2005 Posts: 166	Beautiful! I would love to have one in the 16 inch. It's gotta be $$$ though! ha! __________________ "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." ~Thomas Jefferson~

August 25, 2005, 12:47 AM	#3
Casp_A Senior Member Join Date: August 12, 2004 Posts: 495	All I have to say is that a weaver-topped M4gery looks pretty dang funny with HK diopter sights on it. __________________ Johnny was a chemist's son, but Johnny is no more. What Johnny thought was H2O was H2SO4.

August 25, 2005, 08:16 AM	#5
Charles S Senior Member Join Date: July 29, 2002 Location: North East Texas Posts: 950	I would love to try that rifle out. Charles __________________ "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell

August 25, 2005, 02:56 PM	#6
281 Quad Cam Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 937	From what I have seen, it is a great rifle. Everything you loved about the AR-15, except now it has a more dependable short stroke piston gas system, and H&K uses their own better magazines. Also something about a cold hammer forged barrel. I dont know what else has been changed. But just what I mentioned is enough to make up my mind. For me nothing beats the ergonomics and function of an AR-15... So building a better rifle out of it appeals to me. I hope they design one in a different calibre. __________________ "Whats the first aid procedure for consumption of coolant?"

August 25, 2005, 07:02 AM	#4
Klaud Wachnen Junior member Join Date: June 5, 2005 Location: Germany & United States. Posts: 57	It looks like more pretty of the m16/m4 no?? I would buy one.

August 26, 2005, 07:14 AM	#7
Silvanus Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2005 Location: Luxembourg Posts: 1,324	Looks a bit like the FN SCAR, but IMO the HK looks better... I'd love to buy one. http://img77.exs.cx/img77/3980/b9tscarlight2.jpg

August 26, 2005, 08:05 AM	#8
garrettwc Senior Member Join Date: October 3, 2001 Posts: 641	If they have truly come up with a gas system that doesn't dump all the crap back into the action then they may be on to something. Wouldn't mind giving one a try. The other poster was probably right though Much $$$$

August 26, 2005, 05:41 PM	#9
CobrayCommando Junior member Join Date: November 21, 2004 Posts: 1,631	Why not just a damn G36?

August 26, 2005, 09:51 PM	#10
281 Quad Cam Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 937	Not just a damn G36 because of the feel, ergonomics, balance, and function of the weapon. I love the G36 as much as the next guy, but if the AR was cured of it's issues, I would rather use a weapon of its shape and feel... __________________ "Whats the first aid procedure for consumption of coolant?"

August 27, 2005, 10:40 AM	#11
shaggy Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2004 Posts: 1,519	I think I've seen a couple 416 uppers floating around on Sturmgewehr - price is sure to be stupid if you can find one. POF has a similar type gas piston upper which I think runs about $900-1000, and as I understand it, Ares Defense (of Shrike notoriety) is working on their own version. As much as I like the idea of a piston driven upper, I don't think I'm willing to pay that kind of premium for it. However, once someone figures out how to mate the HK or POF piston system with the quick change barrel system of an MGI CQB or LMT MRP, I'll be in for one (or two, or three...). It'll be interesting to see if these eventually experience the same key-shearing problems of the ill-fated Rhino gas piston system of yesteryear. I think both the POF and Ares systems use a standard AR/M16 carrier.

August 27, 2005, 01:14 PM	#12
fanoblack Senior Member Join Date: September 20, 2004 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 449	Leitner-wise is also producing one. Its been a while since I heard anything about them, so they might have bailed or bot bought out. fanoblack __________________ I know eight languages, unfortunately only one is spoken by humans.

August 28, 2005, 10:50 PM	#14
Pinky Carruthers Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2004 Location: Rocky Mountains Posts: 649	There are some of these upper out there now. They are going for $2300!! For the upper with no sights. There is a thread on Arfcom with some pictures from a guy that just bought one. __________________ "Love lost, fire at will Dum Dum bullets and shoot to kill I hear dive bombers, and Empire down." SOM

October 5, 2005, 04:41 PM	#15
hkg3 Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 1999 Location: Kalifornia, on my way to Arizona Posts: 1,149	That is sweet! __________________ "The next time I shoot somebody I could be arrested." - Lt. Frank Drebin, The Naked Gun

October 5, 2005, 04:45 PM	#16
hkg3 Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 1999 Location: Kalifornia, on my way to Arizona Posts: 1,149	Anybody have video of that thing at the range? __________________ "The next time I shoot somebody I could be arrested." - Lt. Frank Drebin, The Naked Gun

October 5, 2005, 04:54 PM	#17
MD_Willington Senior Member Join Date: August 17, 2005 Location: SE WA State. Posts: 563	This looks a lot like the SCAR... http://www.robarm.com/xcrtm_gallery.htm

October 5, 2005, 10:18 PM	#18
CQBArms Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2004 Posts: 192	Shot both, the FN is a much more robust gun. __________________ Visit Us @ CQB Arms Free Gun Image Hosting

October 5, 2005, 10:19 PM	#19
IZinterrogator Senior Member Join Date: November 8, 2004 Location: Prescott Valley, AZ Posts: 2,457	FN makes the SCAR, not Robinson. FN SCAR-L I do like the looks of the XCR, but why did HK and Robinson both go with rail-mounted iron sights? Seems like a zero shift waiting to happen to me. __________________ "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” - Samuel Adams

October 17, 2005, 06:03 AM	#20
The British Soldier Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2005 Location: England...that green and pleasasnt land. Posts: 295	I wonder why HK did this? Their own G36 is an awesome weapon and comes in convenient barrel lengths; the G36K is a great carbine and I find its handling characteristics to be as good as the M4. One can add a rail system to the G36 handgaurd, so you can add as much crap to it as you like! As an M4 clone, it should be more reliable because of the gas system; I found that M4s like the correct ammunition and did not like the cut tube propellant that we Brits put into Radway Green L2A2 rounds. We could not get consistent performace. Any thoughts why cut tube propellant would not function in the M4? __________________ Mike When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains And the women come out to cut up what remains Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier. Rudyard Kipling.

October 17, 2005, 06:42 AM	#21
CQBArms Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2004 Posts: 192	The 416 and like uppers have a totally different gas system, so it's not really a clone in the sense that it's copying the old gas system. It's a piston driving gas system v. the direct gas system. Why is Hk doing this? Because it was part of the specification for bid on an intermediate replacement for the older m4. The gov't didn't contract for a new rifle, the contracted and bid out an interim upgrade for the m16/m4 platform. LW makes one, Hk Makes one, POF makes one which is sold by Troy, DSA, Us and a couple others. __________________ Visit Us @ CQB Arms Free Gun Image Hosting

October 18, 2005, 04:27 AM	#22
The British Soldier Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2005 Location: England...that green and pleasasnt land. Posts: 295	The mist clears... Is the US abandoning HK G36K as a component for that smart rifle concept? An over and under G36K with a 20mm 'phaser' on top of it? I read a report that indicated they were thinking of bringing in the G36K under the guise of 'XM9' [or something similar]. __________________ Mike When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains And the women come out to cut up what remains Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier. Rudyard Kipling.

October 18, 2005, 07:22 AM	#23
CQBArms Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2004 Posts: 192	The US never adopted the G36. Many LE and DAO's might have them but it was never purchased on contract as a replacement or upgrade to the M4 for the US military. It's M4, M4 SOPMOD to the gas piston HK 416 and the theory is the XM8 is going to be the step upgrade after the m4 SOPMOD/416. The XM8 is based on the piston system of the G36 but wholy different in the spec and application of the fire control system. Right now, no XM8 __________________ Visit Us @ CQB Arms Free Gun Image Hosting