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Old January 24, 2021, 08:41 PM   #76
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I can't speak to the seriousness of the effort, but the fact the ACLU is siding with the NRA's right to exist suggests the NY AG is out of line.
Well that is an interesting wrinkle.

David Cole, national legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union:
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Our democracy is premised on the right of association. The First Amendment protects not only the right to speak, but also to band together with others to advance one's views. Making or resisting change in a democracy requires collective action, and a healthy democracy therefore demands a robust "civil society." The right to associate can't survive if officials can shut down organizations with which they disagree. . . .
Well said Mr. Cole! Same can be said for Academia in this country. Internet media corporations as well, but that is certainly muddier water legally.
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Old January 25, 2021, 03:52 PM   #77
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So, the ACLU even sides with the NRA...

Never did I think I would be alive to see that.

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Consequently, I could see the law being used to remove Wayne LaPierre and much of the board of directors, but dissolving the organization is punishing the victims.
Then, I would have to be open to allowing the law to do just that. As stated by many others many times, WLP is the cancer of the NRA. If he were to be removed and reinstate members to hold a vote for who resides that position, the NRA's rudder could change the course back int he right direction.
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Old January 25, 2021, 05:39 PM   #78
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Not the least bit worried about WLP being the cancer. Take for instance one of the biggest Anti Gov's in the state of Virginia, Ralph Northam. Now check out his largest contributors. Look at their Font web page. Notice "NRA WATCH" Vote to impeach Trump.
Read about them, read all the laws they are going after. See the three letter's NRA throughout the webpage. And they claim to have 6 million members. (but that could very well be a lie, just like everything else out of their mouths).
Regardless, folks that want Wayne out, here is your best hope. And I believe they will get the job done for all of you.
I suggest you read all!

https://everytown.org/
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Old January 25, 2021, 08:24 PM   #79
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So Carl, I don't get you. Why are you such a WLP apologist? Do you think Wayne is doing a good job?

Yes, the anti's hate the 2nd amendment and want to destroy the NRA to destroy the 2nd. We all know this. We all want the NRA to fight for the 2nd. They aren't doing that.

People here keep saying and you are not listening. We want a politically stronger NRA that defends the RKBA. WLP is preventing that from happening.
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Old January 25, 2021, 09:04 PM   #80
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I am listening t. All these attacks are just fodder for ANTI's. Quite feeding them.
How about this. Tell us what he NRA is doing right now across the Country. For instance, every year my club sponsors Boy Scouts of America for shooting, training, and becoming responsible adults. Many clubs that start out like my club got grants to help with Berns, and other structural building and on and on.
How about we focus on the Good That the NRA is doing. Support them in there many fights in court cases around the Country and let the board settle their differences.
Constant disparaging WLP is just negative chatter that the Left LOVE to hear. I personally will give them nothing. Not one second of pleasure.

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Old January 26, 2021, 08:16 AM   #81
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How about we focus on the Good That the NRA is doing.
Focusing upon "the good" to the exclusion of acknowledging wayne's corruption is not even logical. Much less, practical.

It's a problem that won't get fixed by burying your head in the sand. And it's a problem that desperately needs to be fixed.

The travesty that is WLP takes center stage for the NRA. The New York authorities are making sure of it.

TFL members aren't at fault. WLP is at fault. All we're doing is acknowledging the abuse.
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Old January 26, 2021, 11:09 AM   #82
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The NRA just filed for bankruptcy!!!

I didn’t start this post to turn it into a pi$$ing contest between bagging on WLP or defending the NRA.
Obviously the NRA has serious problems or they would not be in bankruptcy court. WLP may bear responsibility for some of those problems, or he may not. All we have right now are allegations backed by anecdotal evidence.

But I’d be interested to figure out what this means for the NRA and the gun community at large.

How does this affect the NRA show in Atlanta?
What happens to Camp Perry?
What about all the NRA sanctioned matches?
What about American Rifleman, Shooting Illustrated, and the other publications?

I agree with the comment above that dissolving the NRA is NOT a method of relief allowed by the statute in NY. If the allegations are true and the officers and board have mismanaged funds, then the solution should be their termination and the giving of the NRA to a receivership until new officers and board members can be elected by the members. I don’t see how filing for bankruptcy does any good for NRA members other than complicate the litigation. It seems to me that filing for bankruptcy is an admission that the officers and board are in real and serious trouble.


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Old February 10, 2021, 07:18 PM   #83
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The NRA donor who filed a class action suit against the NRA is planning to ask the Texas bankruptcy court to appoint a trustee to oversee the NRA operations and possibly remove NRA leadership. David Dell'Aquila has been named to the unsecured creditors' committee by the bankruptcy court, so he may have a chance to succeed. More info here.

This could be good news for the future of the NRA.
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Old February 10, 2021, 08:40 PM   #84
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Has the Texas court even agreed to accept the bankruptcy petition? The last I knew there were some serious questions as to whether or not the NRA even had standing to be in a court in Texas, and I haven't heard or seen anything (oter than this article, which doesn't address that issue) to tell us whether or not it has been resolved.
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Old February 11, 2021, 03:11 PM   #85
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I am an NRA member or was. I keep getting mail for money and renewal of my membership. But they went bankrupt. So why would I send money to a bankrupt organization? It is like throwing money away. Why wouldn't I wait until they reorganize in Texas and rejoin then?
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Old February 11, 2021, 03:18 PM   #86
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I am an NRA member or was. I keep getting mail for money and renewal of my membership. But they went bankrupt. So why would I send money to a bankrupt organization? It is like throwing money away. Why wouldn't I wait until they reorganize in Texas and rejoin then?
I have a 3-year subscription to the NRA (only because it is required in for membership in my gun club) and yet, the NRA constantly sends me mail begging me to join the NRA or asking for more money and contributions.
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