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Old August 19, 2015, 08:56 PM   #51
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H-110 From 15.1 grains to 16.5 grains for a 210 gr bullet. From- http://stevespages.com/page8a.htm This powder requires a Magnum primer and a good strong crimp. On seating a bullet , the case neck should expand .002" or more for good neck tension.

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Old August 19, 2015, 09:34 PM   #52
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Here's a gift:

Winchester 231 @ 4.9gr using a 240gr cast SWC bullet should give you a nice safe load moving out at around 650 f/s.

If you are unable to obtain the proper components, don't reload and wait until they are available.

Be safe!
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Old August 20, 2015, 05:54 AM   #53
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My go-to powder for .44 Special is...

Trail Boss.

I tried using 231 and wasn't happy with the miniscule amounts. I was having erratic ignition and accuracy, probably due to the tiny amount of powder migrating to different places in the case.

Once I switched to TB, though, no more consistency issues, and extremely good accuracy.
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Old August 20, 2015, 06:21 AM   #54
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It's each to their own with an informed decision.
Unfortunately the OP demonstrates an ill-informed approach -- which is not
in itself unusual/disqualifier for a beginning reloader ...except that it appears
to get worse with each interaction in response.

So yes. I have no problem at all speaking in short sentences and words of one
syllable as to his staying away from H110 and/or W296 in that application.

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Old August 20, 2015, 07:53 AM   #55
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My go-to powder for .44 Special is... Trail Boss.
Like Mike, I have grown to have a tremendous liking for TrailBoss in what are
normal/traditional midrange loads in large-capacity case--especially w/ cast bullets,

TB's very fast pressure rise (one of the fastest spikes around) makes for very effective
"bump-up" as the bullet hits the grooves and covers a multitude of sizing sins.
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Old August 20, 2015, 08:42 AM   #56
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Personally I love the H110/296 loads from Hodgdon #23 in .44 Spl; however, since that powder is way more expensive than many other options (due to how many grains you have to use), I rarely load it in the Spl now. Way back in the 80s it sold for lower price/lb than other powders, so the cost difference was not as bad as it is today.

But the more important point that some people have mentioned in this thread is that the OP exhibits a marked lack of knowledge and understanding of the reloading fundamentals, and for those reasons, I absolutely agree that he should NOT be trying to use this powder in .44 Spl. He has been given good advice on better choices.
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Old August 20, 2015, 09:36 AM   #57
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I am looking at "Speer 8" 1970:
44 mag 240 gr JSP, H110 21 gr - 23 gr, 1280 - 1455 fps, 6.5" barrel
44 spec 240 gr JSP, H110 14 gr - 16 gr, 1002 - 1087 fps, 6.5" barrel
I plugged this data into Quickload, using 8.2" barrel to add on the length of the cylinder, and 1.565" OAL for 44 mag and 1.465" OAL for 44 special as listed for those bullets in "Speer 12" as "Speer 8" does not list OAL.
44 mag: 20,693 psi 1260 fps - 27,118 psi 1397 fps
44 special: 7,603 psi 805 fps - 9,780 psi 917 fps

..cough, cough, be sure to roll crimp those light loads.
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Old August 20, 2015, 03:22 PM   #58
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Mr. Clark: FWIW.....Hodgdon #25 Manual lists the 240gr JSP/.44 mag. from a 7 1/2" Bbl. w/H110/24.0gr=1548 FPS@39,300 CUP. [23.0gr H110/=1411FPS @35,200 CUP].
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.44 SPL.....7 1/2" Bbl. 240gr JHP/H110-14.5gr=1192FPS @ 14,600 CUP.(no start load): Bullet weights from [180gr JHP] (17.5/1358/15,900 CUP) to [265gr JSP] (13.0/970/15,600 CUP) all w/H110 powder.

Quickload is Greek to me....Perhaps you can plug these figures in and come up with something.

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Old August 20, 2015, 04:02 PM   #59
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Mr. Adamson, RE: post 16:.....H110/WW296 powder does not take well to reduced loading. It works best at higher/near max-max pressures w/a heavy crimp, and mag. primer.

Hodgdon Manual # 25 lists a:
180gr JHP w/17.5 gr H110 FOR 1358 FPS AND 15,900 CUP/7 1/2" Bbl.
210gr JHP w/ 16.0gr H110 for 1256 FPS and 15,900 CUP. " "
250gr LGC w/14.5gr H110 for 1202 FPS and 13,200 CUP. " "
No starting load for any of the above.

These, (as well as any other [safe] .44 SPL. load) are safe to shoot in any .44 mag chamber. When you reduce the charge of H110/WW296 powder from these loads, you ask for trouble in the form of extremely high (read that UNSAFE) pressures. A ballistician would be the person to ask [Why?] I can only surmise as to why it is....... Guessing as to why... will get you hurt, [at the least], and possibly, [No longer of this world].

With all due respect;

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Old August 20, 2015, 04:11 PM   #60
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Iv been told by others to use the max load possible with that powder & a 200 gr bullet in my .44 magnum.
Highighted for emphasis.

I don't know if it has been already suggested but if indeed you have a magnum revolver and shoot specials out of it, I feel you would decrease the chances of a mis-hap and make the most of a potent powder by just buying some .44 mag cases and loading the H110 in those.

Otherwise, from what I've heard about H110 you're just trying to make a reloading square peg fit a reloading round hole.

I understand it is a great powder when used in the correct application...

Good luck.

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I plugged this data into Quickload
I've not used it yet but hope to buy it one day, but I'd heard QL was not very reliable on straight walled cartridges whilst being clairvoyant when it comes to bottle-necks.
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Old August 20, 2015, 09:05 PM   #61
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But the more important point that some people have mentioned in this thread is that the OP exhibits a marked lack of knowledge and understanding of the reloading fundamentals, and for those reasons, I absolutely agree that he should NOT be trying to use this powder in .44 Spl. He has been given good advice on better choices.
I re-read the thread and see that while the OP exhibits a lack of knowledge, he does exhibit laudable judgment (he came to ask for advice and is taking it. See his posts 33 and 38.

Few of us came to reloading with understanding of reloading fundamentals, either the mechanical aspects or chemical ones, much less internal ballistics.

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Old August 21, 2015, 05:27 AM   #62
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These, (as well as any other [safe] .44 SPL. load) are safe to shoot in any .44 mag chamber. When you reduce the charge of H110/WW296 powder from these loads, you ask for trouble in the form of extremely high (read that UNSAFE) pressures.
This is a common misconception...

The issue with downloading H110 is that it is hard to ignite, and can easily squib if pressures are not high enough to complete the burn...It has nothing whatsoever to do with 'detonation', or Secondary Explosive Effect (SEE)...

Hodgdon's own warning on the old reloading data front page stated:

" H110 and Winchester 296 loads should not be reduced more than 3%. Reduce H110 and Winchester 296 loads 3% and work up from there. H110 and Winchester 296 if reduced too much will cause inconsistent ignition. In some cases it will lodge a bullet in the barrel, causing a hazardous situation (Barrel Obstruction). This may cause severe personal injury or death to users or bystanders. DO NOT REDUCE H110 LOADS BY MORE THAN 3%. "
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Old August 21, 2015, 07:57 AM   #63
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I was experimenting with 110 in 38 spl loads which were also published data in my older Speer #9 manual. They seemed to shoot fine from my GP100, so I tried them in my 38 snub which also seemed to shoot fine. Then I put them through the Chroney and found 5 round groups varied in velocity by 250fps from 5252-775!

When I went above published data for 38, they got a LOT more consistant, and group tightened up (in the GP100), BUT I did not even consider shooting them in my 38 at that point because I believed them to possibly be above 38 spl standards, and had no way to test pressure.

Interesting experiment for an experienced loader, but I would never send a newbie down that road!
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