New problem primer

jag2 · March 27, 2020, 04:45 PM

I thought I had read about most primer problems (spp in 45, etc) but this is a new one to me. S&B 9x19 NX 15. I'm guessing it is their version of lead free. What isn't free is movement of the primer, I am afraid to pull any harder to decap it. The primer seems to be between a SPP and LPP but can't say for sure since I can't get it out. The flash hole appears to be smaller, but again, I can't get to it. Anyway, brass rats, be on the look out.

mehavey · March 27, 2020, 08:58 PM

You're sure you aren't looking at Berdan primed cases?

mehavey · March 27, 2020, 08:59 PM

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oley55 · March 27, 2020, 09:56 PM

++++2 Berdan primers. Appearing to be in size between small and large is a strong indicator.

I'd take a hack saw to one of those cases just to validate what your working with.

jag2 · March 27, 2020, 11:34 PM

My understanding of Berdan primers is two flash holes, off center. This is definitely one hole dead center. If that has changed it could be the answer but I've never heard that.

jag2 · March 28, 2020, 12:38 AM

My Ambien is kicking in so I'll post a pic in the morning. Its a good pic so you can see the difference.

jag2 · March 28, 2020, 11:28 AM

Sorry, I'm not setup to where I can post photos. Maybe someone else will know more about it.

Don P · March 28, 2020, 01:24 PM

S&B crimps the primers in place

Grey_Lion · March 28, 2020, 02:57 PM

We've actually seen issues w/ S&B 9mm brass here before - https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=534333

Seems it's a tad squirrelly.... and they make several different variants.

Also - it's European - so the flash hole may be metric sized - something I see in all GECO brass which I pick up on when it sticks on my decapping pin.

My guess - you've got a 9mm variant there that's a tad off the typical 9mm luger standard.

March 27, 2020, 04:45 PM	#1
jag2 Senior Member Join Date: June 30, 2009 Location: dallas Posts: 773	New problem primer I thought I had read about most primer problems (spp in 45, etc) but this is a new one to me. S&B 9x19 NX 15. I'm guessing it is their version of lead free. What isn't free is movement of the primer, I am afraid to pull any harder to decap it. The primer seems to be between a SPP and LPP but can't say for sure since I can't get it out. The flash hole appears to be smaller, but again, I can't get to it. Anyway, brass rats, be on the look out.

March 27, 2020, 09:56 PM	#4
oley55 Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2013 Location: JAX, FL Posts: 377	++++2 Berdan primers. Appearing to be in size between small and large is a strong indicator. I'd take a hack saw to one of those cases just to validate what your working with. __________________ “Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem.” ― Ronald Reagan Last edited by oley55; March 27, 2020 at 10:03 PM.

March 28, 2020, 01:24 PM	#8
Don P Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2005 Location: Swamp dweller Posts: 6,187	S&B crimps the primers in place __________________ *NRA Life Member, NRA Chief Range Safety Officer, NRA Certified Pistol Instructor,, USPSA & Steel Challange NROI Range Officer, ICORE Range Officer, ,MAG 40 Graduate* *As you are, I once was, As I am, You will be.*

March 27, 2020, 08:58 PM	#2
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,894	You're sure you aren't looking at Berdan primed cases?

March 27, 2020, 08:59 PM	#3
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,894	-- delete --

March 27, 2020, 11:34 PM	#5
jag2 Senior Member Join Date: June 30, 2009 Location: dallas Posts: 773	My understanding of Berdan primers is two flash holes, off center. This is definitely one hole dead center. If that has changed it could be the answer but I've never heard that.

March 28, 2020, 12:38 AM	#6
jag2 Senior Member Join Date: June 30, 2009 Location: dallas Posts: 773	My Ambien is kicking in so I'll post a pic in the morning. Its a good pic so you can see the difference.

March 28, 2020, 11:28 AM	#7
jag2 Senior Member Join Date: June 30, 2009 Location: dallas Posts: 773	Sorry, I'm not setup to where I can post photos. Maybe someone else will know more about it.

March 28, 2020, 02:57 PM	#9
Grey_Lion Senior Member Join Date: April 15, 2018 Location: Baton Rouge - Louisiana Posts: 407	We've actually seen issues w/ S&B 9mm brass here before - https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=534333 Seems it's a tad squirrelly.... and they make several different variants. Also - it's European - so the flash hole may be metric sized - something I see in all GECO brass which I pick up on when it sticks on my decapping pin. My guess - you've got a 9mm variant there that's a tad off the typical 9mm luger standard.