An Expert Informed Me I Was Undergunned.... - Page 3

gwpercle · February 13, 2018, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mk70ss

While at the range shooting (indoor with a retail sales area), I removed my sweatshirt because it was getting warm in the range. This exposed my EDC, a Ruger SP101 .357 in an outside the waistband kydex holster. The guy in the next lane pointed at my rig and laughed saying it’s 2018, they make better carry guns you know......I said thanks, I’ll look into that.

I noticed he was shooting a Sig 226 and a Glock, not sure what model. He was shooting at 5 yards and was all over the target, not even something you could call a group. I was shooting at 20 yards with a Ruger Blackhawk and making 3-4 inch groups offhand.

I think I am fairly well armed and competent with what I carry. I am not so sure about the “expert” who gave me his unsolicited advice......

Carry what you have confidence in and can shoot well. I also carry a revolver, it's a 38 special but I can shoot it extremely well and it has never failed to feed, failed to fire or failed to extract , 100% reliability...no safety , no magazine , no slide to rack.

It's not the gun that wins the fight...it's the shootist.
The " expert" knows not of what he speaks.
Gary

FrankenMauser · February 13, 2018, 07:08 PM

For the record: I'm now carrying .32 H&R in a Ruger LCR (.327 Federal, 6-shot model).

According to the internet, I'm so under-gunned that I should already be dead.

samsmix · February 13, 2018, 07:36 PM

I had a gun store commando tell me that "If you shoot someone with that it will just piss him off" when he saw me buying a .380 for my wife.

In a sporting mood, I asked what he carried.

"A Sig Sauer P-220 .45 ACP", he replied.

Seeing nowhere on his person to hide such a beast, I decided to set him up and then take him down a peg. I said "Well that sounds like what I should get her. Do you mind if I look at it?"

"...I, well uh...I don't have it HERE. It's out in my truck but sure, I can go get it."

Wagging an LCP mag from my pocket, I said "Well it wouldn't do you much good out there, now would it?"

He went away.

Ricklin · February 13, 2018, 07:55 PM

Ya spelled it wrong. He was an Ex-Spurt and that's a drip under pressure.

SGW Gunsmith · February 15, 2018, 01:10 PM

I think he handled that "clown" very well. The guy couldn't group any better at 15 feet? Bet he was flinching like a "chihuahua crappin' peach seeds".

I certainly know there are semi-autos available these days, but if I need more than six rounds, I'll bring my 12 gauge pump gun!

zincwarrior · February 15, 2018, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Don P

Thinking back on this, the malfunctions I have had with my wheel guns are a broken firing pin on my competition 625 and my GP 100 locking up because the fool (me) short stroked the trigger

Other than these issues my revolvers run all the time. My 649 and model 10 both have not had issues with regards to function and reliability. Both are wonderful carry guns

My S&W carry never had a problem out of several thousand rounds of shooting. Its predecessor, a officer style .45, went through about 2,000 with no problems, before I retired it for the S&W. The wife's cannon of a Beretta has never had a problem.

Its not the pistol. Its the shooter.

Glenn E. Meyer · February 15, 2018, 03:39 PM

Well, if we don't get rained out, I'm going to shoot a match with a stock SW Model 19 - just because.

TunnelRat · February 16, 2018, 12:39 AM

Skill is the decider. That said, there's nothing that says capacity and skill have to be mutually exclusive.

cslinger · February 16, 2018, 01:21 AM

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Skill is the decider. That said, there's nothing that says capacity and skill have to be mutually exclusive.

ABSOLUTELY TRUE. That being said, and I say this as a schmuck on the interwebz who knows very little about very little, there are so many folks who own X gun because it “magazine races” well. I would be terrified of a Delta Operator with a .38 revolver with 4 mismatched rounds and an empty cylinder vs a tarded gangbanger with a Glock 17.

Carrying is about skill, confindence and equipment. Said Delta Operator with a Glock 17 is a force to be reckoned with.....me......not so much. I am probably better with 5 rounds of Gold Dot short barrell or a good Da/SA.

Skill trumps all. Skill with the best possible equipment is a force to be reckoned with. Skill and equipment can still be trumped by Mr. Murphy.

Me personally, my sweet spot is 10+ rounds of a martial caliber. Would I ever disparage a 5 shot .357/.38 in trained hands.........well I am not that uneducated l.

armoredman · February 16, 2018, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Glenn E. Meyer

Experts who give unsolicited advice are worth what you paid for it. I stopped doing that.

Case in point - I was taking my TX CHL test (easy for anyone with any practice). A guy next to me says that I shoot too well and should miss some of the center Zero zone shots. Why? Well, he tells me that if I go to trial they will ask me why I didn't shoot the bad person in the leg. He knew this as he was a trained sniper.
..

What's amazing is my Dept still has people who will spew the same thing - "Don't shoot a perfect score, then you will lose in court because X, Y and Z". 99% of these same people usually just squeak over the top to qualify anyway.

CajunBass · February 16, 2018, 04:34 AM

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I was just having fun at the range. Shooting for enjoyment, you know, recreational shooting......

I'm surprised that this seems to be an alien concept to a lot of people.

Wag · February 17, 2018, 11:39 AM

Usually, the one talking the most knows the least. Happens all the time, the shooting world, the biker world, the martial arts world, etc. ad nauseum infinitum.

My wife was notorious for outshooting the rest of the people on the range but the one day that really made me giggle was when I was shooting bowling pins. I was setting them up at 100 yards and shooting them down with a 30-30 Model 94. No biggie, just having fun. At one point I had just set up the pins again and was taking aim and heard six shots ring out to my right and watched six of my pins go rolling. I just up at my lovely life mate and saw a big ol' grin and I just had to laugh. She had taken them all out with her GP100 using .38 special loads I built for her.

Of course, I had to feign being pissed off because now I had to do another 200 yard round trip hike to set 'em back up and of course, that made her laugh even more!

Fun stuff.

Usually, I see people on the pistol range who can't hit their target and they are constantly blaming their pistol. Trying the tweak the sights. Adjusting their point of aim on every shot and generally spreading shots all over the paper, even at close ranges. About the time I hear them say, "This gun sucks!" is when I ask them if I can try it.

And shoot a same-hole group for them with their own pistol. About half the time, they walk off, even more pissed off. The other half of the time, they ask how I did that and I'm more than happy to show them some basics which always improves their shooting for the rest of the day.

Fun times, though.

--Wag--

armoredman · February 18, 2018, 04:26 AM

I had that happen once, with an Astra A-90 45ACP. I could NOT hit the target to save my life, but everyone else could. I swear that gun hated me - traded it away fast.

UncleEd · February 18, 2018, 10:15 AM

MK70SS,

After careful review and consideration of your original post
which began this thread, I have concluded you are
undergunned.

And I am an expert!

What you need to supplement your 5-shooter is
a whip.

In fact, from my expertise in this matter, I urge a
lot of brethren should carry a whip, including women.

February 13, 2018, 07:08 PM	#52
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,421	For the record: I'm now carrying .32 H&R in a Ruger LCR (.327 Federal, 6-shot model). According to the internet, I'm so under-gunned that I should already be dead. __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

February 13, 2018, 07:36 PM	#53
samsmix Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2006 Location: Montana (Montucky?) Posts: 1,273	I had a gun store commando tell me that "If you shoot someone with that it will just piss him off" when he saw me buying a .380 for my wife. In a sporting mood, I asked what he carried. "A Sig Sauer P-220 .45 ACP", he replied. Seeing nowhere on his person to hide such a beast, I decided to set him up and then take him down a peg. I said "Well that sounds like what I should get her. Do you mind if I look at it?" "...I, well uh...I don't have it HERE. It's out in my truck but sure, I can go get it." Wagging an LCP mag from my pocket, I said "Well it wouldn't do you much good out there, now would it?" He went away. __________________ You'll probably never NEED a gun. I hope you never do. But IF you do, you will need it worse than anything you've ever needed in your life. IF we're not supposed to eat animals, howcome God made 'em outta meat?

February 13, 2018, 07:55 PM	#54
Ricklin Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2008 Location: SW Washington state Posts: 2,011	An expert Ya spelled it wrong. He was an Ex-Spurt and that's a drip under pressure. __________________ ricklin Freedom is not free

February 15, 2018, 03:39 PM	#57
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	Well, if we don't get rained out, I'm going to shoot a match with a stock SW Model 19 - just because. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

February 16, 2018, 12:39 AM	#58
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,206	Skill is the decider. That said, there's nothing that says capacity and skill have to be mutually exclusive. __________________ Know the status of your weapon Keep your muzzle oriented so that no one will be hurt if the firearm discharges Keep your finger off the trigger until you have an adequate sight picture Maintain situational awareness

February 15, 2018, 01:10 PM	#55
SGW Gunsmith Junior member Join Date: December 31, 2014 Location: Northwest Wisconsin Posts: 285	I think he handled that "clown" very well. The guy couldn't group any better at 15 feet? Bet he was flinching like a *"chihuahua crappin' peach seeds".* I certainly know there are semi-autos available these days, but if I need more than six rounds, I'll bring my 12 gauge pump gun!

February 17, 2018, 11:39 AM	#62
Wag Senior Member Join Date: October 22, 2010 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 988	Usually, the one talking the most knows the least. Happens all the time, the shooting world, the biker world, the martial arts world, etc. ad nauseum infinitum. My wife was notorious for outshooting the rest of the people on the range but the one day that really made me giggle was when I was shooting bowling pins. I was setting them up at 100 yards and shooting them down with a 30-30 Model 94. No biggie, just having fun. At one point I had just set up the pins again and was taking aim and heard six shots ring out to my right and watched six of my pins go rolling. I just up at my lovely life mate and saw a big ol' grin and I just had to laugh. She had taken them all out with her GP100 using .38 special loads I built for her. Of course, I had to feign being pissed off because now I had to do another 200 yard round trip hike to set 'em back up and of course, that made her laugh even more! Fun stuff. Usually, I see people on the pistol range who can't hit their target and they are constantly blaming their pistol. Trying the tweak the sights. Adjusting their point of aim on every shot and generally spreading shots all over the paper, even at close ranges. About the time I hear them say, "This gun sucks!" is when I ask them if I can try it. And shoot a same-hole group for them with their own pistol. About half the time, they walk off, even more pissed off. The other half of the time, they ask how I did that and I'm more than happy to show them some basics which always improves their shooting for the rest of the day. Fun times, though. --Wag-- __________________ "Great genius will always encounter fierce opposition from mediocre minds." --Albert Einstein.

February 18, 2018, 04:26 AM	#63
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,295	I had that happen once, with an Astra A-90 45ACP. I could NOT hit the target to save my life, but everyone else could. I swear that gun hated me - traded it away fast.

February 18, 2018, 10:15 AM	#64
UncleEd Senior Member Join Date: April 13, 2013 Location: N. Georgia Posts: 1,150	MK70SS, After careful review and consideration of your original post which began this thread, I have concluded you are undergunned. And I am an expert! What you need to supplement your 5-shooter is a whip. In fact, from my expertise in this matter, I urge a lot of brethren should carry a whip, including women.

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