Sig Custom Shop - Page 2

Kevin_d77 · June 16, 2013, 07:50 PM

It is a 90's Sig. How could I tell if its Nitron?

Yea, I was pretty ****** and the wear was after the sights were installed. He used a pusher on it at first but I left the shop and came back and it was done. Noticed the wear after. Mentioned it to him, he looked at it and was like "well what do you want to do?" I couldn't really prove that he did something to it. I have since become much more careful about who I deal with.

I just hope it's not ruined. I was hoping to send it to Sig and get their opinion.

Kevin_d77 · June 16, 2013, 07:51 PM

I can take more pics to help identify the problems if need be.

Kevin_d77 · June 16, 2013, 08:00 PM

Personally, I think he was having a hard time putting them in and might have slightly bent the front part of the slide but you can't tell just from looking at it.

Wonder how much a new slide would cost?

WVsig · June 16, 2013, 08:00 PM

If it is a 90s Sig it is not nitron it is blued but the same issue applies. Check out this link...

http://grayguns.com/guide-to-sig-sau...ol-inspection/

IMHO you are at stage 6 but it is hard to tell from the pic.

Shiny Silver – This is where you need to start to worry. The pigment in the anodizing is worn through, your frame is still protected, but you need to monitor your frame rails very closely and make sure they remain greased thoroughly for the rest of your gun’s life.

You need to lube the pistol like this:

http://www.apextactical.com/blog/ind...-pistol-rails/

The new slide will help but a lot of damage is already done. Again the visible wear is in the slide channel which is better than if the wear is on the underside of the rail. Is there any wear present on the underside of the rails. That is where the wear issues create real problems.

Kevin_d77 · June 16, 2013, 08:03 PM

Stage 6? Wow. I guess that's where part of me wants to send it in to see what they say.

Should I even put any more money into it?

WVsig · June 16, 2013, 08:05 PM

Is the wear mark shinny silver? Again in that channel wear is not a detrimental as it would be on the underside or on the rails itself.

Kevin_d77 · June 16, 2013, 08:10 PM

It doesn't quite looks silver yet. And there isn't a visible gouging. It has to be right at the edge of the slide because the wear stops right where the slide does once it is full locked back

Kevin_d77 · June 16, 2013, 08:16 PM

There is no visible wear on the slide rails either.

WVsig · June 16, 2013, 08:18 PM

Without the flash it looks more like stage 3 to 4... it should be ok as long as you properly lube the gun. I would still be ******.

Kevin_d77 · June 16, 2013, 08:20 PM

Do you think is should send it to Sig to do the Sig Service Plan where they replace springs, check all crucial parts and install the Sig night sights?

I was planning on having them do that along with the other work.

Kevin_d77 · June 16, 2013, 08:23 PM

You can kinda see a mark near the front of the slide where it looks like he used too much pressure

WVsig · June 16, 2013, 08:33 PM

Do you have a set of calipers? If you do check the width of the slide. I think he
compromised it and I would send it to Sig and demand my money back from them other shop and if any work needs to be done to correct his errors he needs to pay.

Kevin_d77 · June 16, 2013, 08:35 PM

I didn't pay a dime for that "installation".

I think I will send it into Sig for the Sig Service Plan and see what they tell me. Maybe not call attention to it and see what they say initially? Not sure how to handle this. It's been bugging me for several months now.

http://www.sigsauer.com/CustomShop/SSP.aspx

What do you think?

Thanks for your help too! I appreciate it.

WVsig · June 16, 2013, 08:39 PM

Did you pay for the sights? If you did get a refund for those... Send it in and tell them to check the slide.

Kevin_d77 · June 16, 2013, 08:41 PM

I wonder how much a new slide would cost?

WVsig · June 16, 2013, 09:23 PM

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I wonder how much a new slide would cost?

The issue is that they do not make many carbon steel slides anymore. So you would get a stainless steel slide. This would greatly cut the value of the pistol. I would see if Sig can correct it and then refinish it.

Kevin_d77 · June 16, 2013, 09:25 PM

Ahhhh, I see. Thank you for taking the time to explain it to me. I just hope it's not an expensive fix. I only paid $500 for it initially.

TunnelRat · June 16, 2013, 10:53 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but what exactly is the SIG service plan going to do? If you legitimately think your slide is bent you need to tell them. Otherwise all they will do is replace springs and other wear items and call it a day. If your frame has been damaged due to a bent slide nothing in that plan will cover the damage, ditto for the slide. With as busy as SIG is if you think you have a specific issue you need to tell them when it is sent in, not pray that they might find it.

I have a hard time telling from the pictures. Is the issue that there is only wear inside one slide rail? Was it there before? If not can you visibly see some sign of the slide being bent? I ask because I am still having a hard time imagining a situation where he bent the slide in replacing the sights. Even if he clamped the sides of the slide in a vise the pressure should have been distributed along the length of the slide. You say the slide catches, but how and at what point? If you can map the point where it catches to a point on the slide examine that area and take pics.

All you have shown me so far is a slide rail that looks rather worn, which lube can help mitigate to an extent, and some marring of the finish around the dovertails for the sights. Let's take a minute and do some critical thinking before sending it in and putting more money into it, especially if all you have is $500 in it. You would have to decide if refinishing it is worth it to you. Is it a collector or a shooter? Again I think more info is needed.

Kevin_d77 · June 16, 2013, 11:05 PM

Yes only wear on inside of one slide rail. Visibly you can't tell (well I can't) if the slide is bent. No the damage as wasn't there before. What I meant by the slide catching is that it is slightly harder to rack now. That's when I noticed the damage to the rail.

The reason I was assuming he bent the slide is that the mark on top of the slide

Basically coincides where the damage to the frame rail starts. If I had to guess it seems as though it is only a small portion bent in and that is causing the slide to scrape the rail and damage the finish. I just dont want to make things worse or fire an unsafe weapon.

And it's a shooter, not a collector. But at the same time, I like nice things (who doesn't though)

TunnelRat · June 16, 2013, 11:17 PM

Yes but drawing a correlation between some mark on the top of the slide that could easily be the result of something simple, as we can see the smith didn't do a great job at installing the sights, and the damage to the rails is tricky. That damage to the rails would have to come from the sides of the slide being bent inward (hence WVsig suggesting checking with calipers to see if the width of the slide is changing at one point, which is still a very good piece of advice). In that case I'm not sure the mark on the top is connected, and if so how? It could very well be connected, just be careful of drawing faulty conclusions.

Is the slide harder to rack through the entire length of the pull? The rails on a SIG run the full length of the slide. If the sides of the slide (say that ten times fast) were bent inward, I would think the pull would be hard the whole way though. Did you also check the inside of that side of the slide coinciding with that slide rail to see if there are any marks there as well?

My first priority would be reaming the hell out of the smith that did the work. If you do end up paying for this you want to get something back from that shop. If you do send it in to SIG do what I said and make them aware of your concerns ahead of time and in the work order. Don't just assume they'll check it.

Kevin_d77 · June 17, 2013, 07:01 AM

I get what you're saying. Guess its pretty hard to diagnose over the internet using cell phone pictures

Thanks for the help!

kcub · June 17, 2013, 08:54 AM

You should definitely tell them they did it. Otherwise if you don't they'll assume you or some jackass gunsmith wannabe did it.

Kevin_d77 · June 17, 2013, 09:04 AM

Agreed. Well some jackass wannabe gunsmith shop owner did do it.

If anyone lives in the Tampa area and is looking for work done, PM me and I will tell you where NOT to go!

Kevin_d77 · June 18, 2013, 09:06 PM

So I went to the range today and brought the Sig with me to run some rounds through it and have the smith check it out. Ran fine. I miss shooting it. The wear didn't increase noticeably after putting a hundred rounds through it so that's a good thing.

Had the smith (who I'm building a relationship with and I trust him so far) take a look at it. He is a Sig certified Armorer for whatever that's worth. He inspected it, stripped it down and gave it a once over. He was shocked to see the damage and determined that there is a small piece at the very front of the slide that is slightly bent in. He doesn't think that it is crucial though and it has not gouged the frame yet. Looks to be a slight bend. Told me he didn't think it should concern me. I bought this used from a relative who bought it off of a former employee. The smith said it looks like it was hardly fired at all. Thought the stiffness in the slide might actually be due to the springs not be being fully broken in. Told me not to worry about it and keep it lubed.

The sights however are bent to cr@p and after cleaning it tonight when I got home, the front sight slid right off. So darn aggravated right now. Think I am going to buy some new Trijicons, have him (the new smith - edited for clarity) install them and just run the gun for a while.

Decided not to send it to Sig. I mean, I haven't really shot it much in the last 6-8 months and after firing it, think I am just going to enjoy it for a while and save my money. Thing runs nice!

While there though, the Sig bug bit me again. Think I picked out my next purchase.....a P229 in 9mm. Thing felt great in my hand. And I think I want the Scorpion version. Say what you will but I really like that style for some reason. So I will save the $400+/- I was going to spend at the Sig custom shop and just end up buying one of those when I find a good deal.

Anywho, thanks for all the help fellas. Your knowledge is always appreciated!

TunnelRat · June 18, 2013, 09:10 PM

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The sights however are bent to cr@p and after cleaning it tonight when I got home, the front sight slid right off. So darn aggravated right now. Think I am going to buy some new Trijicons, have him install them and just run the gun for a while.

You would pay to have work done again by someone who royally screwed up the first time and basically owes you a set of night sights? That's madness.

June 16, 2013, 08:00 PM	#29
WVsig Senior Member Join Date: June 30, 2010 Location: NC Posts: 5,309	If it is a 90s Sig it is not nitron it is blued but the same issue applies. Check out this link... http://grayguns.com/guide-to-sig-sau...ol-inspection/ IMHO you are at stage 6 but it is hard to tell from the pic. Shiny Silver – This is where you need to start to worry. The pigment in the anodizing is worn through, your frame is still protected, but you need to monitor your frame rails very closely and make sure they remain greased thoroughly for the rest of your gun’s life. You need to lube the pistol like this: http://www.apextactical.com/blog/ind...-pistol-rails/ The new slide will help but a lot of damage is already done. Again the visible wear is in the slide channel which is better than if the wear is on the underside of the rail. Is there any wear present on the underside of the rails. That is where the wear issues create real problems. __________________ -The right to be left alone is the most comprehensive of rights, and the right most valued by free people.-Louis Brandeis -Its a tool box... I don't care you put the tools in for the job that's all... -Sam from Ronin -It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle

June 16, 2013, 08:05 PM	#31
WVsig Senior Member Join Date: June 30, 2010 Location: NC Posts: 5,309	Is the wear mark shinny silver? Again in that channel wear is not a detrimental as it would be on the underside or on the rails itself. __________________ -The right to be left alone is the most comprehensive of rights, and the right most valued by free people.-Louis Brandeis -Its a tool box... I don't care you put the tools in for the job that's all... -Sam from Ronin -It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle

June 16, 2013, 08:18 PM	#34
WVsig Senior Member Join Date: June 30, 2010 Location: NC Posts: 5,309	Without the flash it looks more like stage 3 to 4... it should be ok as long as you properly lube the gun. I would still be ****. __________________ -The right to be left alone is the most comprehensive of rights, and the right most valued by free people.-Louis Brandeis -Its a tool box... I don't care you put the tools in for the job that's all... -Sam from Ronin -It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle**

June 16, 2013, 08:33 PM	#37
WVsig Senior Member Join Date: June 30, 2010 Location: NC Posts: 5,309	Do you have a set of calipers? If you do check the width of the slide. I think he compromised it and I would send it to Sig and demand my money back from them other shop and if any work needs to be done to correct his errors he needs to pay. __________________ -The right to be left alone is the most comprehensive of rights, and the right most valued by free people.-Louis Brandeis -Its a tool box... I don't care you put the tools in for the job that's all... -Sam from Ronin -It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle Last edited by WVsig; June 16, 2013 at 08:38 PM.

June 16, 2013, 08:39 PM	#39
WVsig Senior Member Join Date: June 30, 2010 Location: NC Posts: 5,309	Did you pay for the sights? If you did get a refund for those... Send it in and tell them to check the slide. __________________ -The right to be left alone is the most comprehensive of rights, and the right most valued by free people.-Louis Brandeis -Its a tool box... I don't care you put the tools in for the job that's all... -Sam from Ronin -It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle

June 16, 2013, 07:50 PM	#26
Kevin_d77 Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2012 Location: SW FL Posts: 953	It is a 90's Sig. How could I tell if its Nitron? Yea, I was pretty ****** and the wear was after the sights were installed. He used a pusher on it at first but I left the shop and came back and it was done. Noticed the wear after. Mentioned it to him, he looked at it and was like "well what do you want to do?" I couldn't really prove that he did something to it. I have since become much more careful about who I deal with. I just hope it's not ruined. I was hoping to send it to Sig and get their opinion.

June 16, 2013, 07:51 PM	#27
Kevin_d77 Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2012 Location: SW FL Posts: 953	I can take more pics to help identify the problems if need be.

June 16, 2013, 08:03 PM	#30
Kevin_d77 Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2012 Location: SW FL Posts: 953	Stage 6? Wow. I guess that's where part of me wants to send it in to see what they say. Should I even put any more money into it?

June 16, 2013, 08:10 PM	#32
Kevin_d77 Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2012 Location: SW FL Posts: 953	It doesn't quite looks silver yet. And there isn't a visible gouging. It has to be right at the edge of the slide because the wear stops right where the slide does once it is full locked back

June 16, 2013, 08:16 PM	#33
Kevin_d77 Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2012 Location: SW FL Posts: 953	There is no visible wear on the slide rails either.

June 16, 2013, 08:20 PM	#35
Kevin_d77 Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2012 Location: SW FL Posts: 953	Do you think is should send it to Sig to do the Sig Service Plan where they replace springs, check all crucial parts and install the Sig night sights? I was planning on having them do that along with the other work.

June 16, 2013, 08:23 PM	#36
Kevin_d77 Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2012 Location: SW FL Posts: 953	You can kinda see a mark near the front of the slide where it looks like he used too much pressure

June 16, 2013, 08:35 PM	#38
Kevin_d77 Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2012 Location: SW FL Posts: 953	I didn't pay a dime for that "installation". I think I will send it into Sig for the Sig Service Plan and see what they tell me. Maybe not call attention to it and see what they say initially? Not sure how to handle this. It's been bugging me for several months now. http://www.sigsauer.com/CustomShop/SSP.aspx What do you think? Thanks for your help too! I appreciate it.

June 16, 2013, 08:41 PM	#40
Kevin_d77 Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2012 Location: SW FL Posts: 953	I wonder how much a new slide would cost?

June 16, 2013, 09:25 PM	#42
Kevin_d77 Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2012 Location: SW FL Posts: 953	Ahhhh, I see. Thank you for taking the time to explain it to me. I just hope it's not an expensive fix. I only paid $500 for it initially.

June 16, 2013, 10:53 PM	#43
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,212	Correct me if I'm wrong but what exactly is the SIG service plan going to do? If you legitimately think your slide is bent you need to tell them. Otherwise all they will do is replace springs and other wear items and call it a day. If your frame has been damaged due to a bent slide nothing in that plan will cover the damage, ditto for the slide. With as busy as SIG is if you think you have a specific issue you need to tell them when it is sent in, not pray that they might find it. I have a hard time telling from the pictures. Is the issue that there is only wear inside one slide rail? Was it there before? If not can you visibly see some sign of the slide being bent? I ask because I am still having a hard time imagining a situation where he bent the slide in replacing the sights. Even if he clamped the sides of the slide in a vise the pressure should have been distributed along the length of the slide. You say the slide catches, but how and at what point? If you can map the point where it catches to a point on the slide examine that area and take pics. All you have shown me so far is a slide rail that looks rather worn, which lube can help mitigate to an extent, and some marring of the finish around the dovertails for the sights. Let's take a minute and do some critical thinking before sending it in and putting more money into it, especially if all you have is $500 in it. You would have to decide if refinishing it is worth it to you. Is it a collector or a shooter? Again I think more info is needed. __________________ Know the status of your weapon Keep your muzzle oriented so that no one will be hurt if the firearm discharges Keep your finger off the trigger until you have an adequate sight picture Maintain situational awareness

June 16, 2013, 11:05 PM	#44
Kevin_d77 Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2012 Location: SW FL Posts: 953	Yes only wear on inside of one slide rail. Visibly you can't tell (well I can't) if the slide is bent. No the damage as wasn't there before. What I meant by the slide catching is that it is slightly harder to rack now. That's when I noticed the damage to the rail. The reason I was assuming he bent the slide is that the mark on top of the slide Basically coincides where the damage to the frame rail starts. If I had to guess it seems as though it is only a small portion bent in and that is causing the slide to scrape the rail and damage the finish. I just dont want to make things worse or fire an unsafe weapon. And it's a shooter, not a collector. But at the same time, I like nice things (who doesn't though)

June 16, 2013, 11:17 PM	#45
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,212	Yes but drawing a correlation between some mark on the top of the slide that could easily be the result of something simple, as we can see the smith didn't do a great job at installing the sights, and the damage to the rails is tricky. That damage to the rails would have to come from the sides of the slide being bent inward (hence WVsig suggesting checking with calipers to see if the width of the slide is changing at one point, which is still a very good piece of advice). In that case I'm not sure the mark on the top is connected, and if so how? It could very well be connected, just be careful of drawing faulty conclusions. Is the slide harder to rack through the entire length of the pull? The rails on a SIG run the full length of the slide. If the sides of the slide (say that ten times fast) were bent inward, I would think the pull would be hard the whole way though. Did you also check the inside of that side of the slide coinciding with that slide rail to see if there are any marks there as well? My first priority would be reaming the hell out of the smith that did the work. If you do end up paying for this you want to get something back from that shop. If you do send it in to SIG do what I said and make them aware of your concerns ahead of time and in the work order. Don't just assume they'll check it. __________________ Know the status of your weapon Keep your muzzle oriented so that no one will be hurt if the firearm discharges Keep your finger off the trigger until you have an adequate sight picture Maintain situational awareness

June 17, 2013, 07:01 AM	#46
Kevin_d77 Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2012 Location: SW FL Posts: 953	I get what you're saying. Guess its pretty hard to diagnose over the internet using cell phone pictures Thanks for the help!

June 17, 2013, 08:54 AM	#47
kcub Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2010 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 3,318	You should definitely tell them they did it. Otherwise if you don't they'll assume you or some jackass gunsmith wannabe did it.

June 17, 2013, 09:04 AM	#48
Kevin_d77 Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2012 Location: SW FL Posts: 953	Agreed. Well some jackass wannabe gunsmith shop owner did do it. If anyone lives in the Tampa area and is looking for work done, PM me and I will tell you where NOT to go!

June 18, 2013, 09:06 PM	#49
Kevin_d77 Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2012 Location: SW FL Posts: 953	So I went to the range today and brought the Sig with me to run some rounds through it and have the smith check it out. Ran fine. I miss shooting it. The wear didn't increase noticeably after putting a hundred rounds through it so that's a good thing. Had the smith (who I'm building a relationship with and I trust him so far) take a look at it. He is a Sig certified Armorer for whatever that's worth. He inspected it, stripped it down and gave it a once over. He was shocked to see the damage and determined that there is a small piece at the very front of the slide that is slightly bent in. He doesn't think that it is crucial though and it has not gouged the frame yet. Looks to be a slight bend. Told me he didn't think it should concern me. I bought this used from a relative who bought it off of a former employee. The smith said it looks like it was hardly fired at all. Thought the stiffness in the slide might actually be due to the springs not be being fully broken in. Told me not to worry about it and keep it lubed. The sights however are bent to cr@p and after cleaning it tonight when I got home, the front sight slid right off. So darn aggravated right now. Think I am going to buy some new Trijicons, have him (the new smith - edited for clarity) install them and just run the gun for a while. Decided not to send it to Sig. I mean, I haven't really shot it much in the last 6-8 months and after firing it, think I am just going to enjoy it for a while and save my money. Thing runs nice! While there though, the Sig bug bit me again. Think I picked out my next purchase.....a P229 in 9mm. Thing felt great in my hand. And I think I want the Scorpion version. Say what you will but I really like that style for some reason. So I will save the $400+/- I was going to spend at the Sig custom shop and just end up buying one of those when I find a good deal. Anywho, thanks for all the help fellas. Your knowledge is always appreciated! Last edited by Kevin_d77; June 18, 2013 at 09:14 PM.