Glock Machine Pistol

CQBArms · September 29, 2005, 08:11 PM

Yes it's full auto, yes it's legally converted and registered via a Form 2.

rgoudy1975 · September 29, 2005, 08:12 PM

Can I get a IWB holster for it?

fal308 · September 30, 2005, 08:08 AM

Interesting foregrip. Never seen anything like it.

ltdave · September 30, 2005, 09:17 AM

whats the difference (function wise) between it and a G18?

did this start life as a G17?

details man! details...

david

shaggy · September 30, 2005, 09:59 AM

Quote:

did this start life as a G17

Most likely it did. If you'll notice, there is no selector switch at the back end of the slide as on a factory G18. (He also mentions it was converted via a F2)

Sleuth · September 30, 2005, 03:08 PM

Whats the point?

Too big to conceal

Too short a barrel for useful velocities

It would be fine for a shootout in a phone booth.

shaggy · September 30, 2005, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Too big to conceal

Too short a barrel for useful velocities

It would be fine for a shootout in a phone booth.

Smaller than an MP5k-PDW.
Same barrel length as a G17.
More controllable than you'd think when fired in short bursts, used with the stock and forward grip.

Sleuth · September 30, 2005, 03:29 PM

Shaggy, if you like it, enjoy. I look at what role the gun would fulfill - and I have no objection to ""toys"".

Yes, it has the barrel legnth of a pistol - but not the concealability.
It may indeed be controllable, but with the short barrel and sight radius, it will be lacking in accuracy (unless, of course, you choose to bolt an optic sight on it, making it even more bulky).

And I am not lacking in experience with "machine pistols", including the full auto Glock, Baretta, Skorpian, Trejo, H&K PDW/MP5k, and others.

Go have fun with it!

CQBArms · September 30, 2005, 04:19 PM

Wow...if you don't get that all that stuff is removeable and then it's just a "Glock" that fits in a nice little holster with a 17 or 17+ round magazine and full auto...you need more experience on the machine pistols, of which the PDW is not.
Also you might want to got back to "pistol" school if you think a glock with 9mm standard ammo doesn't have enough "velocity" to be useful.

FYI:
It's nearly as easy to control, no add ons and with short bursts as it is in semi auto, even mag dumps are pretty easy to run.

Sleuth · September 30, 2005, 04:26 PM

CQB, I am a "user", and firearms come in two types:
Ready to use, and
Some assembly required.

I was never in a situation where I had the time to assemble a firearm - my needs were immediate.
So, if I am carrying a handgun, it needs to be ready to use. If a subgun, I need to be able to retreve it and place rounds on target. If it has the bulk of your Glock, it's the size of a subgun. If you disassemble it, it's a handgun with a bunch of stuff to be bolted on.

As I said before - you like it, fine, enjoy it. It is neither fish (handgun) nor fowl (Subgun) for me, as a user.

Have fun - and a nice weekend.

CQBArms · September 30, 2005, 04:31 PM

Yes it started as a 17, buidling a sear that replaces the rear "slide plate" it was converted to full auto. In reality that little device is the machine gun (the sear itself) and the gun in the configuration is actually an SBR. The sear can be moved from gun to gun...which is sort of nice.

The difference between it and the G18 is that the g18 has slightly wider rails, it has a side selector that is built into the slide and is not "funtionally" removeable and moveable to another glock.

The Glock 18 cost is $508 per, the Glock 17 is $375 and the sear is $100-$600 depending on where you buy it from and if it's select fire or full auto only.

Here you can see the inletting of the slide for the g18 and what that sear does.
This is in the "full auto" position.

CQBArms · September 30, 2005, 04:32 PM

I would say, continue to practice and you'll get it right one day...good luck.

WillBrayjr · November 4, 2005, 09:14 AM

I think the G-34 would have been a better choice than the G-17. I just don't like the idea of having my hand that close to the muzzle.

greeneggsnham · November 4, 2005, 10:27 AM

Fabrique de Dr. Seuss Gunworks?

Bonstrosity · November 4, 2005, 11:37 AM

I'm confused here. who actually converted this gun? I assume it was legally but if i have a glock 17 and buy a full auto sear can I legally make it by filling out papers or was this converted before the ban? I agree though this could go under "Toys" I wouldn't mind having one myself. what caliber is it in (sorry i'm not too insiteful about glocks).

boofus · November 4, 2005, 01:55 PM

Only licensed manufacturers can submit Form 2 to build new machineguns.

Do not attempt on your own unless you entertain the thought of losing all your guns, your job, your voting rights, and having 10 years of prison assrape.

Bonstrosity · November 4, 2005, 01:59 PM

Thats what I figured. There is no way I want to start messing around with full auto stuff unless it has been done right and legally for me. I just wasn't aware that people could still produce full auto guns. I just thought If I wanted to aquire one that I'd have to find one that was full auto before the ban.

NB4ZOT · November 4, 2005, 02:14 PM

Does Barbara Boxer know you have this?

CQBArms · November 4, 2005, 06:29 PM

As to the 34 v. the 17...yes that's a good idea but since the item is an RDIAS of sorts, it converts all guns equally.

wardog · November 5, 2005, 09:52 AM

I've had the opportunity to shoot several full auto Glocks, including a .45 and 17C that was set up just like the one pictured above. It was much easier to control than I thought it would be. It was a lot of fun to shoot.

I'm not a real big Glock fan, but the full auto ones are awesome.

WillBrayjr · November 5, 2005, 12:21 PM

I'm talking about not getting burned by the muzzle flash.

September 29, 2005, 08:11 PM	#1
CQBArms Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2004 Posts: 192	Glock Machine Pistol Yes it's full auto, yes it's legally converted and registered via a Form 2. __________________ Visit Us @ CQB Arms Free Gun Image Hosting

September 30, 2005, 03:08 PM	#6
Sleuth Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 445	Whats the point? Too big to conceal Too short a barrel for useful velocities It would be fine for a shootout in a phone booth. __________________ Sleuth

September 30, 2005, 03:29 PM	#8
Sleuth Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 445	Shaggy, if you like it, enjoy. I look at what role the gun would fulfill - and I have no objection to ""toys"". Yes, it has the barrel legnth of a pistol - but not the concealability. It may indeed be controllable, but with the short barrel and sight radius, it will be lacking in accuracy (unless, of course, you choose to bolt an optic sight on it, making it even more bulky). And I am not lacking in experience with "machine pistols", including the full auto Glock, Baretta, Skorpian, Trejo, H&K PDW/MP5k, and others. Go have fun with it! __________________ Sleuth

September 30, 2005, 04:19 PM	#9
CQBArms Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2004 Posts: 192	Wow...if you don't get that all that stuff is removeable and then it's just a "Glock" that fits in a nice little holster with a 17 or 17+ round magazine and full auto...you need more experience on the machine pistols, of which the PDW is not. Also you might want to got back to "pistol" school if you think a glock with 9mm standard ammo doesn't have enough "velocity" to be useful. FYI: It's nearly as easy to control, no add ons and with short bursts as it is in semi auto, even mag dumps are pretty easy to run. __________________ Visit Us @ CQB Arms Free Gun Image Hosting

September 30, 2005, 04:26 PM	#10
Sleuth Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 445	CQB, I am a "user", and firearms come in two types: Ready to use, and Some assembly required. I was never in a situation where I had the time to assemble a firearm - my needs were immediate. So, if I am carrying a handgun, it needs to be ready to use. If a subgun, I need to be able to retreve it and place rounds on target. If it has the bulk of your Glock, it's the size of a subgun. If you disassemble it, it's a handgun with a bunch of stuff to be bolted on. As I said before - you like it, fine, enjoy it. It is neither fish (handgun) nor fowl (Subgun) for me, as a user. Have fun - and a nice weekend. __________________ Sleuth

September 29, 2005, 08:12 PM	#2
rgoudy1975 Junior member Join Date: September 15, 2005 Location: Reynoldsburg, OH Posts: 163	Can I get a IWB holster for it?

September 30, 2005, 08:08 AM	#3
fal308 Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 12, 1998 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,992	Interesting foregrip. Never seen anything like it.

September 30, 2005, 09:17 AM	#4
ltdave Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 2005 Posts: 226	whats the difference (function wise) between it and a G18? did this start life as a G17? details man! details... david

September 30, 2005, 04:31 PM	#11
CQBArms Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2004 Posts: 192	Dave to answer your questions Yes it started as a 17, buidling a sear that replaces the rear "slide plate" it was converted to full auto. In reality that little device is the machine gun (the sear itself) and the gun in the configuration is actually an SBR. The sear can be moved from gun to gun...which is sort of nice. The difference between it and the G18 is that the g18 has slightly wider rails, it has a side selector that is built into the slide and is not "funtionally" removeable and moveable to another glock. The Glock 18 cost is $508 per, the Glock 17 is $375 and the sear is $100-$600 depending on where you buy it from and if it's select fire or full auto only. Here you can see the inletting of the slide for the g18 and what that sear does. This is in the "full auto" position. __________________ Visit Us @ CQB Arms Free Gun Image Hosting

September 30, 2005, 04:32 PM	#12
CQBArms Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2004 Posts: 192	I would say, continue to practice and you'll get it right one day...good luck. __________________ Visit Us @ CQB Arms Free Gun Image Hosting

November 4, 2005, 09:14 AM	#13
WillBrayjr Junior member Join Date: September 26, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 1,881	I think the G-34 would have been a better choice than the G-17. I just don't like the idea of having my hand that close to the muzzle.

November 4, 2005, 10:27 AM	#14
greeneggsnham Member Join Date: October 19, 2005 Posts: 85	Fabrique de Dr. Seuss Gunworks?

November 4, 2005, 11:37 AM	#15
Bonstrosity Senior Member Join Date: August 27, 2005 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 322	I'm confused here. who actually converted this gun? I assume it was legally but if i have a glock 17 and buy a full auto sear can I legally make it by filling out papers or was this converted before the ban? I agree though this could go under "Toys" I wouldn't mind having one myself. what caliber is it in (sorry i'm not too insiteful about glocks).

November 4, 2005, 01:55 PM	#16
boofus Junior member Join Date: May 18, 2004 Location: JesusLand,TX Posts: 371	Only licensed manufacturers can submit Form 2 to build new machineguns. Do not attempt on your own unless you entertain the thought of losing all your guns, your job, your voting rights, and having 10 years of prison assrape.

November 4, 2005, 01:59 PM	#17
Bonstrosity Senior Member Join Date: August 27, 2005 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 322	Thats what I figured. There is no way I want to start messing around with full auto stuff unless it has been done right and legally for me. I just wasn't aware that people could still produce full auto guns. I just thought If I wanted to aquire one that I'd have to find one that was full auto before the ban.

November 4, 2005, 02:14 PM	#18
NB4ZOT Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 103	Does Barbara Boxer know you have this?

November 4, 2005, 06:29 PM	#19
CQBArms Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2004 Posts: 192	As to the 34 v. the 17...yes that's a good idea but since the item is an RDIAS of sorts, it converts all guns equally. __________________ Visit Us @ CQB Arms Free Gun Image Hosting

November 5, 2005, 09:52 AM	#20
wardog Member Join Date: May 18, 2004 Posts: 46	I've had the opportunity to shoot several full auto Glocks, including a .45 and 17C that was set up just like the one pictured above. It was much easier to control than I thought it would be. It was a lot of fun to shoot. I'm not a real big Glock fan, but the full auto ones are awesome.

November 5, 2005, 12:21 PM	#21
WillBrayjr Junior member Join Date: September 26, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 1,881	I'm talking about not getting burned by the muzzle flash.