Scope advise for .308

Arrowhead · April 18, 2013, 04:32 PM

Would like some input from you guys. I know I want a Mildot reticle in the 3/4/5-15/20 power range, ideally with turrets and the ability to order a custom BDC knob. Will be on a Rem 700, used for hunting as well as long range target shooting. Any help is much appreciated....

arizona98tj · April 18, 2013, 09:28 PM

One possibility (there are many) might be a Vortex Viper PST 4-16x50, Mil/Mil, FFP. I've been very satisfied with mine.

big al hunter · April 18, 2013, 10:19 PM

I will second the vote for Vortex Viper. http://vortexoptics.com You can order turrets custom marked for your ammo. Details are on the site in the link. Plus the best warranty and customer service around.

Saltydog235 · April 19, 2013, 07:43 AM

Weaver Super Slam Tactical with the EMDR is nice too for glass that won't break the bank.

Arrowhead · April 19, 2013, 05:20 PM

Thank you for the replies, I'll have to read up on those. Btw, is there an advantage to mil vs moa?

big al hunter · April 19, 2013, 05:32 PM

MOA is Minute of Angle. It is measured in degrees, minutes, seconds of angle. 1 MOA is roughly 1 inch at 100 yards, a little over 2 inches at 200 yards, a bit over 3 inches at 300 yards.

Mil is Milradians, I don't have knowledge of how milradian works other than it is arc measurements.

I prefer MOA, mostly because I use angle measurement at work. If you study both you can decide which is better for you. Both work in a similar manor, using different measurement systems. People that learn mil say it is better. But I will stick with MOA. I'm stubborn. Use what works for you

kraigwy · April 19, 2013, 06:03 PM

Mils work just like MOA, basicly there is 3.6 inches to a mil.

Mils are easier to use for range finding. Simple really. Target Size in yards times 1000 divided by mils.

Lets say you are deer hunting. You know that the average deer is 18 inches from top of his back to the bottom of his stomach.

18 inches is .5 yards. Now lets say you look through your mil dot scope and see that the Mil dot scope and see its 1 and 1/2 mils from the top of the back to the bottom.

So .5 X 1000 = 500 / 1.5 = 333.33 yards.

Same thing, lets say its 1 mil, Then .5 X 1000 / 1 = 500

Now lets go PD hunting. You assume the PD is 6 inches tall setting by his hole.

6 inches is 1/6 of a yard or .1667. .1667 X 1000 = 166.67

You look through your scope and see the PD is 2 Mil dots high.

166.67 / 2 = 83 1/3 yards.

You can do the same thing using metrics but instead of yards use meters

Target size in meters times 1000 divided by mils = distance in meters.
Really simple.

April 18, 2013, 04:32 PM	#1
Arrowhead Member Join Date: January 28, 2011 Posts: 33	Scope advise for .308 Would like some input from you guys. I know I want a Mildot reticle in the 3/4/5-15/20 power range, ideally with turrets and the ability to order a custom BDC knob. Will be on a Rem 700, used for hunting as well as long range target shooting. Any help is much appreciated....

April 18, 2013, 09:28 PM	#2
arizona98tj Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 980	One possibility (there are many) might be a Vortex Viper PST 4-16x50, Mil/Mil, FFP. I've been very satisfied with mine. __________________ stu-offroad.com Largest Jeep TJ project site on the web! (now with guns)

April 18, 2013, 10:19 PM	#3
big al hunter Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2011 Location: Washington state Posts: 1,558	I will second the vote for Vortex Viper. http://vortexoptics.com You can order turrets custom marked for your ammo. Details are on the site in the link. Plus the best warranty and customer service around. __________________ You can't fix stupid....however ignorance can be cured through education!

April 19, 2013, 05:20 PM	#5
Arrowhead Member Join Date: January 28, 2011 Posts: 33	Thank you for the replies, I'll have to read up on those. Btw, is there an advantage to mil vs moa? Last edited by Arrowhead; April 23, 2013 at 01:39 PM.

April 19, 2013, 05:32 PM	#6
big al hunter Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2011 Location: Washington state Posts: 1,558	MOA is Minute of Angle. It is measured in degrees, minutes, seconds of angle. 1 MOA is roughly 1 inch at 100 yards, a little over 2 inches at 200 yards, a bit over 3 inches at 300 yards. Mil is Milradians, I don't have knowledge of how milradian works other than it is arc measurements. I prefer MOA, mostly because I use angle measurement at work. If you study both you can decide which is better for you. Both work in a similar manor, using different measurement systems. People that learn mil say it is better. But I will stick with MOA. I'm stubborn. Use what works for you __________________ You can't fix stupid....however ignorance can be cured through education!

April 19, 2013, 07:43 AM	#4
Saltydog235 Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2010 Location: Pawleys Island Posts: 1,563	Weaver Super Slam Tactical with the EMDR is nice too for glass that won't break the bank.

April 19, 2013, 06:03 PM	#7
kraigwy Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11,061	Mils work just like MOA, basicly there is 3.6 inches to a mil. Mils are easier to use for range finding. Simple really. Target Size in yards times 1000 divided by mils. Lets say you are deer hunting. You know that the average deer is 18 inches from top of his back to the bottom of his stomach. 18 inches is .5 yards. Now lets say you look through your mil dot scope and see that the Mil dot scope and see its 1 and 1/2 mils from the top of the back to the bottom. So .5 X 1000 = 500 / 1.5 = 333.33 yards. Same thing, lets say its 1 mil, Then .5 X 1000 / 1 = 500 Now lets go PD hunting. You assume the PD is 6 inches tall setting by his hole. 6 inches is 1/6 of a yard or .1667. .1667 X 1000 = 166.67 You look through your scope and see the PD is 2 Mil dots high. 166.67 / 2 = 83 1/3 yards. You can do the same thing using metrics but instead of yards use meters Target size in meters times 1000 divided by mils = distance in meters. Really simple. __________________ Kraig Stuart CPT USAR Ret USAMU Sniper School Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071