older pietta

sully2311 · December 21, 2017, 05:05 PM

I have a couple BP guns a friend wants to try to sell. One is an older Pietta Remington. It's missing the dove tail front sight, a heavy mainspring and has a longer two piece grip. I don't know if the grip was on it bought or was hand made.
If any of you might know how/if it's older, I'd appreciate it.

The other gun is a brass framed 1851 .44 Pietta.

Fingers McGee · December 21, 2017, 07:17 PM

There should be date codes on them that will tell you how old they are. Codes will be either a roman numeral or two letters in a box.

Pictures or description of all makings will also help.

Hellgate · December 21, 2017, 07:21 PM

I didn't know that Pietta made a dovetail front sight on a Remington. It must be a real old one.

AKexpat · December 21, 2017, 07:30 PM

Don't know about the Remmy .44 repro as I am not into them.

It would be nice to know the date code on the right side of the frame of the Pietta Navy brasser, as well as proof marks. Kit guns will normally not have these. The .44 guns are not anywhere near historically correct, but if there are any importer stampings (Navy Arms, EIG, et al,) that might hold some interest for some niche collectors that might add to value.

Guns like that sell all day long NIB/LNIB for $150 or less on places like GunBroker, and as little as $60 for a well-used pistol.

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Good luck in your endeavors.

Jim

sully2311 · December 21, 2017, 08:27 PM

Pics up, no marks other than black powder only, and PN, on the right side barrel. 881 under the loader lever and serial number on the bottom of the grip frame.
(on the remmy)
BI (1997) on the brass framed gun

Stormson · December 21, 2017, 11:01 PM

How do you know the remmi is a Pietta??

If it is then its been defarbed... Or youd see that billboard of theirs across the barrel... Hell, Im pretty sure you can see them from SPACE! LOL

Yeah.. Pietta doesnt MAKE a dovetail front sight.. Uberti does, but they are also done by gunsmiths and home hobbyists a lot. Either way Im pretty sure those are custom grips.

Hawg · December 21, 2017, 11:25 PM

The grips are homemade. The loading lever, catch and cylinder are all replacements. The dovetails for the sight and catch didn't come on the gun.

sully2311 · December 21, 2017, 11:58 PM

Ok, cool, just figured PN might be pietta. Well, if y’all know anyone wanting another gun or two, send them my way!

Thanks!

Hawg · December 22, 2017, 12:25 AM

PN is the Italian black powder proof.

noelf2 · December 22, 2017, 09:18 AM

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The grips are homemade. The loading lever, catch and cylinder are all replacements. The dovetails for the sight and catch didn't come on the gun.

You're right about the grips. Dovetails may have come on the gun if it was imported by Euroarms, or is an Armi San Paolo.

Hawg · December 22, 2017, 10:20 AM

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You're right about the grips. Dovetails may have come on the gun if it was imported by Euroarms, or is an Armi San Paolo.

I was going by what he said in his first post that it was a Pietta. It could also be a Uberti and ASP is Euroarms. Euroarms was a manufacturer not an importer.

noelf2 · December 22, 2017, 01:37 PM

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Euroarms was a manufacturer not an importer.

Euroarms was a manufacturer, and an importer (Euroarms of America).

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ASP is Euroarms.

Not really. ASP closed their doors, and Euroarms bought their assets (Euroarms was already selling long guns I think). Same thing happened when Euroarms quit and Pedersoli bought their assets. I wouldn't say "Euroarms is Pedersoli" though. It's possible that an ASP revolver is the same as a Euroarms revolver regarding dimensions and such, if that's what you meant. Anyway, my bet the gun came here under the ASP or Euroarms label. Never seen a defarbed Uberti that didn't still have the text stamped under the loading lever.

Hellgate · December 22, 2017, 01:55 PM

The several ASP/Euroarms Remingtons (7, I think) I have owned all had dovetailed front sights.

noelf2 · December 22, 2017, 02:01 PM

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The several ASP/Euroarms Remingtons (7, I think) I have owned all had dovetailed front sights.

Yep. They all came that way.

sully2311 · December 23, 2017, 02:04 AM

When I have time this weekend, I'll tear it apart and look for any more markings. Thanks you all for the info!

Hawg · December 23, 2017, 09:31 AM

You wont have to tear it apart. It will be on the outside somewhere. Maybe under the loading lever close to the frame.

Hellgate · December 23, 2017, 01:16 PM

Or under the cylinder pin right under the "wings" where the barrel meets the frame. I've seen the overlapping DGG of the early ASPs.
R

Hawg · December 23, 2017, 01:38 PM

Double stamp Pietta FAP from 76.

AKexpat · December 23, 2017, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawg

Double stamp Pietta FAP from 76.

Hawg, I am going to go off topic here for a minute.

I used to be an avid collector of error cent coins, and your pic instantly reminded me of a 1955 doubled-die cent. Of course it was produced in a different manner, but the image is priceless, sir!

My SIL has expressed a very high interest in error coins, so I gave her a book on the subject and 30 different error cent coins for Christmas.

Sorry for the interruption. Back to our regularly scheduled program...

Hawg · December 23, 2017, 07:02 PM

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your pic instantly reminded me of a 1955 doubled-die cent.

I'd rather have a 55 double die cent.

Bishop Creek · December 25, 2017, 04:30 PM

Pietta does (or did) make one version of the 1858 Remington with a dovetail front sight, The Shooters model which takes a .457 round ball. I know, I have one.

Hawg · December 25, 2017, 08:23 PM

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Pietta does (or did) make one version of the 1858 Remington with a dovetail front sight, The Shooters model which takes a .457 round ball. I know, I have one.

That's a fairly recent offering tho.

December 21, 2017, 07:17 PM	#2
Fingers McGee Senior Member Join Date: March 19, 2008 Location: High & Dry in Missouri Ozarks Posts: 2,113	There should be date codes on them that will tell you how old they are. Codes will be either a roman numeral or two letters in a box. Pictures or description of all makings will also help. __________________ Fingers (Show Me MO smoke) McGee - AKA Man of Many Colts - Alter ego of Diabolical Ken; SASS Regulator 28564-L-TG; Rangemaster and stage writer extraordinaire; Frontiersman, Pistoleer, NRA Endowment Life, NMLRA, SAF, CCRKBA, STORM 327, SV115; Charter member, Central Ozarks Western Shooters Cynic: A blackguard whose faulty vision see things as they are, not as they should be. Ambrose Bierce

December 21, 2017, 07:21 PM	#3
Hellgate Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2010 Location: Orygun Posts: 869	I didn't know that Pietta made a dovetail front sight on a Remington. It must be a real old one. __________________ With over 15 perCUSSIN' revolvers, I've been called the Imelda Marcos of cap & ball. SASS#3302 (Life), SASS Regulator, NRA (Life), Dirty Gamey Bastards #129 Wolverton Mtn. Peacekeepers (WA), former Orygun Cowboy (Ranger, Posse from Hell)

December 21, 2017, 07:30 PM	#4
AKexpat Senior Member Join Date: January 5, 2014 Location: SW WA State Posts: 490	Don't know about the Remmy .44 repro as I am not into them. It would be nice to know the date code on the right side of the frame of the Pietta Navy brasser, as well as proof marks. Kit guns will normally not have these. The .44 guns are not anywhere near historically correct, but if there are any importer stampings (Navy Arms, EIG, et al,) that might hold some interest for some niche collectors that might add to value. Guns like that sell all day long NIB/LNIB for $150 or less on places like GunBroker, and as little as $60 for a well-used pistol. This is what I use to upload images. Free and easy peasy. https://imgbb.com/ Good luck in your endeavors. Jim __________________ To be governed – is to be watched, inspected, directed, indoctrinated, numbered, estimated, regulated, commanded, controlled, law-driven, preached at, spied upon, censured, checked, valued, enrolled – by creatures who have neither the right, nor the wisdom, nor the virtue to do so. - Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

December 21, 2017, 08:27 PM	#5
sully2311 Member Join Date: December 29, 2013 Location: Gilbert,AZ Posts: 39	Pics up, no marks other than black powder only, and PN, on the right side barrel. 881 under the loader lever and serial number on the bottom of the grip frame. (on the remmy) BI (1997) on the brass framed gun Last edited by sully2311; December 21, 2017 at 08:44 PM.

December 22, 2017, 01:55 PM	#13
Hellgate Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2010 Location: Orygun Posts: 869	The several ASP/Euroarms Remingtons (7, I think) I have owned all had dovetailed front sights. __________________ With over 15 perCUSSIN' revolvers, I've been called the Imelda Marcos of cap & ball. SASS#3302 (Life), SASS Regulator, NRA (Life), Dirty Gamey Bastards #129 Wolverton Mtn. Peacekeepers (WA), former Orygun Cowboy (Ranger, Posse from Hell)

December 21, 2017, 11:01 PM	#6
Stormson Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2014 Location: Mountains of SouthWest VA. Posts: 193	How do you know the remmi is a Pietta?? If it is then its been defarbed... Or youd see that billboard of theirs across the barrel... Hell, Im pretty sure you can see them from SPACE! LOL Yeah.. Pietta doesnt MAKE a dovetail front sight.. Uberti does, but they are also done by gunsmiths and home hobbyists a lot. Either way Im pretty sure those are custom grips.

December 21, 2017, 11:25 PM	#7
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	The grips are homemade. The loading lever, catch and cylinder are all replacements. The dovetails for the sight and catch didn't come on the gun.

December 21, 2017, 11:58 PM	#8
sully2311 Member Join Date: December 29, 2013 Location: Gilbert,AZ Posts: 39	Ok, cool, just figured PN might be pietta. Well, if y’all know anyone wanting another gun or two, send them my way! Thanks!

December 22, 2017, 12:25 AM	#9
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	PN is the Italian black powder proof.

December 23, 2017, 02:04 AM	#15
sully2311 Member Join Date: December 29, 2013 Location: Gilbert,AZ Posts: 39	When I have time this weekend, I'll tear it apart and look for any more markings. Thanks you all for the info!

December 23, 2017, 09:31 AM	#16
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	You wont have to tear it apart. It will be on the outside somewhere. Maybe under the loading lever close to the frame.

December 23, 2017, 01:16 PM	#17
Hellgate Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2010 Location: Orygun Posts: 869	Or under the cylinder pin right under the "wings" where the barrel meets the frame. I've seen the overlapping DGG of the early ASPs. R __________________ With over 15 perCUSSIN' revolvers, I've been called the Imelda Marcos of cap & ball. SASS#3302 (Life), SASS Regulator, NRA (Life), Dirty Gamey Bastards #129 Wolverton Mtn. Peacekeepers (WA), former Orygun Cowboy (Ranger, Posse from Hell)

December 23, 2017, 01:38 PM	#18
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	Double stamp Pietta FAP from 76.

December 25, 2017, 04:30 PM	#21
Bishop Creek Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2011 Posts: 566	Pietta does (or did) make one version of the 1858 Remington with a dovetail front sight, The Shooters model which takes a .457 round ball. I know, I have one.