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Old September 24, 2010, 12:11 PM   #1
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Carry conditions

I was hoping someone could give me the definitions of the different carry conditions (one in the tube/not in the tube, cocked/half cocked) and the advantages and disadvantages of each one. In particular, conditions applying to the 1911 and Sig p228. I realize conditions vary with individual function so feel free to cover them all.
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Old September 24, 2010, 01:05 PM   #2
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The tube is the barrel. So 1 in the tube is one in the barrel.

Cocked is the hammer in the fire position for a single action (all the way back).
On a double action the hammer is carried down and the first shot is fired DA after the slide sickles, then the hammer is cocked.

The advantage of a a single action with one in the tube and the gun cocked & locked (one in the barrel, hammer all the way back, thumb safety on) is that after sweeping off the thumb safety you have a consistent single action trigger pull.

Advantage of a DA/SA is that with one in the tube the hammer is decocked (most DA/SA have a decker (sig's have them)to safely lower the hammer with out fear of accidental dropping the hammer ) and the first shot is fired DA with a heavier trigger pull and then after the slide has recocked the hammer you have a lighter SA trigger pull. DA trigger pull is heavier so tht in a stressed situation you down't accedently pull it.

Some think that the Cocked & Locked single actions are unsafe to carry.
IMO if you train with it it is very safe.

Others don't like the transition between DA to SA. Again its just a matter of practicing with what you carry.
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Old September 24, 2010, 01:20 PM   #3
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"Condition Zero": Loaded chamber, manual safeties disengaged, hammer cocked, gun in ready-to-fire condition with a pull of the trigger. This isn't really part of Col. Cooper's condition list, but it's been added to indicate a single action pistol "more ready" than Condition One.
Condition One: Round in chamber, mag in well, hammer cocked, manual safety engaged, if single action.
Condition Two: Round in chamber, mag in well, hammer down.
Condition Three: Empty chamber, mag in well.
Condition Four: Empty chamber, no mag

All this really applies only to single action pistols with manual safeties, such as the 1911 and Browning HP, since a lot of modern DA/SA and striker-fired pistols are normally carried in what amounts to Condition Zero, with the action in its normal ready mode, and no manual safety present. You can't "lower the hammer" on a striker-fired gun like a Glock with a round in the chamber, so there can be no Condition Two.
There have also been some "half" conditions suggested, such as gun with a magazine disconnecter being carried or stored with a round in the chamber, but no mag in the well.
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Old September 24, 2010, 04:27 PM   #4
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http://www.sightm1911.com/Care/1911_conditions.htm

Also the pointer at the bottom of the article to "Is cocked and locked dangerous" is also worth reading.

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Old October 4, 2010, 08:56 PM   #5
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Thank you Rick B, thats exactly the answer I was looking for.
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