Sig Suspends Shipping on P365

Siggy-06 · February 14, 2018, 06:33 AM

Sig Sauer has suspended shipping on newly produced P365 pistols. Barrel Peening/mushrooming, broken firing pins, failure to return to battery issues, and night sights that are DOA have all been reported. Sig is issuing free shipping labels to correct any issues.

Seems like more and more gun companies are in such a rush lately, that the consumers are the beta testers.

Lohman446 · February 14, 2018, 07:10 AM

That is disappointing. It was on my short list to look at as a pocket pistol to replace my P938 (moving towards all striker fired defensive guns)

ritepath · February 14, 2018, 07:12 AM

I can't wait to get one of these puppies, but a LCPII, pressure washer, and Duke brain surgery are next in line, (maybe a bass boat) so it's looking like fall before I'll pick up one of these anyway.

That being said....this gun should be an awesome CC, I generally don't have a use for more than my Shield and LCP but this one seems to be making glock people mad, so it's looking more and more like I'll have to get one...eventually.

Siggy-06 · February 14, 2018, 07:16 AM

More on the issues:
http://sigtalk.com/p250-p320-p365-p3.../271490?page=1

BIGR · February 14, 2018, 08:46 AM

Hopefully they will get the bugs worked out as one would say.

I still would like to try one after things get worked out or tweaked with them.

Siggy-06 · February 14, 2018, 08:52 AM

I'm sure they will. After the issues with the P320, I'm a bit surprised this one is having issues. You'd think they'd smooth production flaws out by now.

TunnelRat · February 14, 2018, 09:14 AM

Let me find my surprised face, ah here it is

. It’s almost like the industry should stop calling firearms “game changers” until they’ve been out enough to show initial quality reports

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Fishbed77 · February 14, 2018, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Seems like more and more ~~gun~~ companies are in such a rush lately, that the consumers are the beta testers.

Fixed that for you.

brian33x51 · February 14, 2018, 01:10 PM

Siggy you are being way too nice. SIG marketing thinks their users are idiots and are blaming the recall on people's inability to hold the pistol properly while firing. They're using this excuse to cover up those real issues of peening, mushrooming, failure to lock back on last round, etc.

Lohman446 · February 14, 2018, 01:18 PM

How many of these are in the wild? I mean the pistol itself is pretty "isolated" so for there already to be multiple "isolated" issues does not speak highly of how things are going.

TunnelRat · February 14, 2018, 01:21 PM

What I don't get is that given the PR mess that was the P320 recall, wouldn't you as SIG make damn sure that this pistol was as close to perfect as possible before release? No product line is every completely perfect and lemons of course happen, but in reading some reports there and elsewhere I'm seeing repeated issues that suggest a potentially systemic problem with manufacturing of this pistol. I believe SIG probably can figure this out and make the pistol function fine, but really, after all that happened last year to still be making these missteps is crazy.

amd6547 · February 14, 2018, 01:37 PM

It was said that this Sig makes "Glock guys mad"...
Well, I'm a glock guy...and Sig makes me laugh.

Lohman446 · February 14, 2018, 01:43 PM

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What I don't get is that given the PR mess that was the P320 recall, wouldn't you as SIG make damn sure that this pistol was as close to perfect as possible before release?

I would have thought so. There was a point in my life that I can remember when SIG was talked about with reverence and in the high end of mass production pistols. It seems SIG has accepted adjusting price point to get more market share and is really risking that reputation. Maybe I am reading it incorrectly here but if I'm comparing two guns somewhat close to price of each other it used to be I accepted a SIG would cost more and would simply be better. Now I'm not convinced of the later.

Its a shame. Still hope they get the kinks worked out of this though because I am interested in what it is. The problems don't seem related to the "groundbreaking" stack and a half magazine the pistol is designed around.

TunnelRat · February 14, 2018, 01:47 PM

My only question with that magazine is that size limitations are what they are. The pistol really is no bigger than a Glock 43. Now the magazine seems to be the same height as a G26 magazine (although thinner) so I don't think they would have reduced the number of coils dramatically, but I do wonder about the longterm spring life for those magazine spring. Seems like a lot to ask. It may well be fine, but instances like this don't exactly inspire confidence.

Lohman446 · February 14, 2018, 01:51 PM

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It may well be fine, but instances like this don't exactly inspire confidence.

I had personally written off magazine spring life as being an acceptable problem - I figured I would have to change them out fairly often. I had still determined i wanted to hold one and likely buy one in the next couple month (trading off a P938 in the process). I am thinking I may have to wait a bit longer now

lifesizepotato · February 14, 2018, 02:07 PM

It's so frustrating. Eventually, SIG's well of credibility from their P22x legacy is going to be tapped dry and they'll just be seen as an American Taurus.

Wheel-Gunner · February 14, 2018, 03:29 PM

Total disappointment!!

I was, and still am, excited about this pistol. I guess I’ll need to wait a while for Sig to work out the bugs. No doubt about it though, after the troubles with the p320 this isn’t exactly encouraging.

I am now highly skeptical of this new p365, but ultimately I really want it to work.

Please keep this thread posted with any new developments.

Groundhog34 · February 14, 2018, 03:52 PM

My experience with Sigs made in the U.S. has been abyssal. A 220? one of the first made in N.H. was so bad Sig bought it back without my asking when i sent it in for repair. I later tried a P320 it was returned a least twice for repair. I sold it with disclosure at a loss. Sorry Sig I'll stick with Walther PPS, S&W shield and Glock 43. Sig is on the road Remington took.

Fishbed77 · February 14, 2018, 05:56 PM

Quote:

I would have thought so. There was a point in my life that I can remember when SIG was talked about with reverence and in the high end of mass production pistols. It seems SIG has accepted adjusting price point to get more market share and is really risking that reputation.

SIG certainly isn't the only one doing this.

Take a look at how Walther (Umarex) is constructing the barrel & slide of the new PPQsc. Yikes.

http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/p...al-photos.html

xandi · February 14, 2018, 07:05 PM

It’s happening with everything, phones, clothes, computers, appliances and noticeably guns
Things that should last almost forever are made cheaper so you have to buy a new one one a few years. “Cartridge A is crap you need the new cartridge B( even though is the same ballisticlly as an older cartridge” and “you have gun C, what a pos, you need the new gun D

TunnelRat · February 14, 2018, 07:13 PM

It's not completely the fault of manufacturers. The percentage of people that will pay the extra for a longer lasting product is smaller than you think. We have Ruger, for example, discontinuing some more expensive models in lieu of models they can sell for close to $200 because for many people that's all they are willing to spend. Heck even the 365 is likely to have a notably higher street price than some of the other micro pistols out there, and fortunately for SIG they have the capacity argument to try and rationalize that added cost. People want the newest product as fast and as cheap as possible. The reality is if SIG had kept with their low volume model model of the past they likely would have gone out of business by now.

Lexspeed · February 14, 2018, 07:52 PM

The world is full of lemmings that rush out to buy the latest model, highly promoted gun. As for me I am perfectly content to wait for revised 3.0 ( or whatever) model that evolves over the next few years. I skip the "public beta test" versions, thank you very much.

rickmelear · February 14, 2018, 09:14 PM

Not sure on the 365 but I have a safe full of Sigs and never had a bad one. Both German and American, YMMV

hemiram · February 15, 2018, 03:25 AM

I have two US made Sigs, both older ones about 20 years old and I don't see where they could be improved, build quality wise. I don't really care about striker guns much at all. I have 4 of them, but I greatly prefer my metal framed, hammer fired guns over a striker. If I was to buy a Sig polymer DAO gun, it would probably be a used P250 or P320, and test with a lot of ammo to make sure it had no issues.

armabill · February 15, 2018, 04:11 PM

I'm not parting with my Sig. 245.

February 14, 2018, 06:33 AM	#1
Siggy-06 Senior Member Join Date: September 2, 2014 Location: Florida Posts: 1,148	Sig Suspends Shipping on P365 Sig Sauer has suspended shipping on newly produced P365 pistols. Barrel Peening/mushrooming, broken firing pins, failure to return to battery issues, and night sights that are DOA have all been reported. Sig is issuing free shipping labels to correct any issues. Seems like more and more gun companies are in such a rush lately, that the consumers are the beta testers. __________________ Flicks just like a lighter, just a different kind of fire.

February 14, 2018, 07:12 AM	#3
ritepath Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,419	I can't wait to get one of these puppies, but a LCPII, pressure washer, and Duke brain surgery are next in line, (maybe a bass boat) so it's looking like fall before I'll pick up one of these anyway. That being said....this gun should be an awesome CC, I generally don't have a use for more than my Shield and LCP but this one seems to be making glock people mad, so it's looking more and more like I'll have to get one...eventually. __________________ There's only one...

February 14, 2018, 07:16 AM	#4
Siggy-06 Senior Member Join Date: September 2, 2014 Location: Florida Posts: 1,148	More on the issues: http://sigtalk.com/p250-p320-p365-p3.../271490?page=1 __________________ Flicks just like a lighter, just a different kind of fire.

February 14, 2018, 08:52 AM	#6
Siggy-06 Senior Member Join Date: September 2, 2014 Location: Florida Posts: 1,148	I'm sure they will. After the issues with the P320, I'm a bit surprised this one is having issues. You'd think they'd smooth production flaws out by now. __________________ Flicks just like a lighter, just a different kind of fire.

February 14, 2018, 09:14 AM	#7
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,214	Sig Suspends Shipping on P365 Let me find my surprised face, ah here it is . It’s almost like the industry should stop calling firearms “game changers” until they’ve been out enough to show initial quality reports . Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

February 14, 2018, 07:10 AM	#2
Lohman446 Senior Member Join Date: April 22, 2016 Posts: 2,192	That is disappointing. It was on my short list to look at as a pocket pistol to replace my P938 (moving towards all striker fired defensive guns)

February 14, 2018, 08:46 AM	#5
BIGR Senior Member Join Date: June 13, 2000 Location: Mountains Posts: 1,385	Hopefully they will get the bugs worked out as one would say. I still would like to try one after things get worked out or tweaked with them.

February 14, 2018, 01:10 PM	#9
brian33x51 Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2005 Location: Denver area Posts: 221	Siggy you are being way too nice. SIG marketing thinks their users are idiots and are blaming the recall on people's inability to hold the pistol properly while firing. They're using this excuse to cover up those real issues of peening, mushrooming, failure to lock back on last round, etc.

February 14, 2018, 01:18 PM	#10
Lohman446 Senior Member Join Date: April 22, 2016 Posts: 2,192	How many of these are in the wild? I mean the pistol itself is pretty "isolated" so for there already to be multiple "isolated" issues does not speak highly of how things are going.

February 14, 2018, 01:21 PM	#11
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,214	What I don't get is that given the PR mess that was the P320 recall, wouldn't you as SIG make damn sure that this pistol was as close to perfect as possible before release? No product line is every completely perfect and lemons of course happen, but in reading some reports there and elsewhere I'm seeing repeated issues that suggest a potentially systemic problem with manufacturing of this pistol. I believe SIG probably can figure this out and make the pistol function fine, but really, after all that happened last year to still be making these missteps is crazy. __________________ Know the status of your weapon Keep your muzzle oriented so that no one will be hurt if the firearm discharges Keep your finger off the trigger until you have an adequate sight picture Maintain situational awareness

February 14, 2018, 01:37 PM	#12
amd6547 Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2006 Posts: 2,313	It was said that this Sig makes "Glock guys mad"... Well, I'm a glock guy...and Sig makes me laugh. __________________ The past is gone...the future may never happen. Be Here Now.

February 14, 2018, 01:47 PM	#14
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,214	My only question with that magazine is that size limitations are what they are. The pistol really is no bigger than a Glock 43. Now the magazine seems to be the same height as a G26 magazine (although thinner) so I don't think they would have reduced the number of coils dramatically, but I do wonder about the longterm spring life for those magazine spring. Seems like a lot to ask. It may well be fine, but instances like this don't exactly inspire confidence. __________________ Know the status of your weapon Keep your muzzle oriented so that no one will be hurt if the firearm discharges Keep your finger off the trigger until you have an adequate sight picture Maintain situational awareness

February 14, 2018, 02:07 PM	#16
lifesizepotato Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2011 Posts: 210	It's so frustrating. Eventually, SIG's well of credibility from their P22x legacy is going to be tapped dry and they'll just be seen as an American Taurus.

February 14, 2018, 03:29 PM	#17
Wheel-Gunner Senior Member Join Date: February 24, 2006 Posts: 277	Total disappointment!! I was, and still am, excited about this pistol. I guess I’ll need to wait a while for Sig to work out the bugs. No doubt about it though, after the troubles with the p320 this isn’t exactly encouraging. I am now highly skeptical of this new p365, but ultimately I really want it to work. Please keep this thread posted with any new developments. __________________ "History does not entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. We must acquire proficiency in defense and display stamina in purpose." Dwight Eisenhower

February 14, 2018, 03:52 PM	#18
Groundhog34 Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 196	My experience with Sigs made in the U.S. has been abyssal. A 220? one of the first made in N.H. was so bad Sig bought it back without my asking when i sent it in for repair. I later tried a P320 it was returned a least twice for repair. I sold it with disclosure at a loss. Sorry Sig I'll stick with Walther PPS, S&W shield and Glock 43. Sig is on the road Remington took. __________________ "they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name 666." Revelation 13:11

February 14, 2018, 07:05 PM	#20
xandi Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2015 Location: ga Posts: 321	It’s happening with everything, phones, clothes, computers, appliances and noticeably guns Things that should last almost forever are made cheaper so you have to buy a new one one a few years. “Cartridge A is crap you need the new cartridge B( even though is the same ballisticlly as an older cartridge” and “you have gun C, what a pos, you need the new gun D

February 14, 2018, 07:13 PM	#21
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,214	It's not completely the fault of manufacturers. The percentage of people that will pay the extra for a longer lasting product is smaller than you think. We have Ruger, for example, discontinuing some more expensive models in lieu of models they can sell for close to $200 because for many people that's all they are willing to spend. Heck even the 365 is likely to have a notably higher street price than some of the other micro pistols out there, and fortunately for SIG they have the capacity argument to try and rationalize that added cost. People want the newest product as fast and as cheap as possible. The reality is if SIG had kept with their low volume model model of the past they likely would have gone out of business by now. __________________ Know the status of your weapon Keep your muzzle oriented so that no one will be hurt if the firearm discharges Keep your finger off the trigger until you have an adequate sight picture Maintain situational awareness

February 14, 2018, 07:52 PM	#22
Lexspeed Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2015 Location: Southern IL Posts: 152	The world is full of lemmings that rush out to buy the latest model, highly promoted gun. As for me I am perfectly content to wait for revised 3.0 ( or whatever) model that evolves over the next few years. I skip the "public beta test" versions, thank you very much.

February 14, 2018, 09:14 PM	#23
rickmelear Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2005 Location: palm beach county, fl Posts: 257	Not sure on the 365 but I have a safe full of Sigs and never had a bad one. Both German and American, YMMV

February 15, 2018, 03:25 AM	#24
hemiram Senior Member Join Date: November 6, 2005 Location: Toledo, ohio Posts: 762	I have two US made Sigs, both older ones about 20 years old and I don't see where they could be improved, build quality wise. I don't really care about striker guns much at all. I have 4 of them, but I greatly prefer my metal framed, hammer fired guns over a striker. If I was to buy a Sig polymer DAO gun, it would probably be a used P250 or P320, and test with a lot of ammo to make sure it had no issues.

February 15, 2018, 04:11 PM	#25
armabill Senior Member Join Date: August 16, 2001 Location: Glenolden, Pa. USA Posts: 250	I'm not parting with my Sig. 245.