Birdshot through an interior wall - video

expeditionx · August 22, 2006, 11:40 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgqbdVFxlkk
http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=580932

No, it wasn't me.

expeditionx · August 22, 2006, 12:29 PM

Just like on box o truth http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14.htm

roughly 1 inch of wall board penetrated
Would reaching someones vitals require more penetration than an equivalent 1 inch in wall board?

AAshooter · August 22, 2006, 04:10 PM

I always wonder about "the rest of the story" when people say they are going to use Buckshot because it can go through walls. Consquently they pick some sort of bird shot.

webbee · August 22, 2006, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by expeditionx

Would reaching someones vitals require more penetration than an equivalent 1 inch in wall board?

Yes! IIRC 12 inches is the vitals standard in ballistic gelatin. Birdshot is for birds. Check out #1 Buck for inside the house.

Realistically, if it will do damage to the vitals, it probably will go through more than 2 sheets of drywall.

Al Thompson · August 22, 2006, 04:43 PM

IIRC, Hatcher's Notebook indicated that the Army considered anything that would punch through 3/4 inch plywood to be "dangerous". Have not tried plywood v. birdshot, but having killed airbreathing critters with birdshot, it will work at (!!!) very close range - like in my bedroom.

mete · August 22, 2006, 05:12 PM

Sorry to straighten you out but shot comes in various sizes not just 'bird ' or 'buck' . Ability to penetrate depends on the size of the shot .So are you talking about #9, #4 #1 Buck, 00 Buck ?? For what I have available I'd grab BB steel goose loads or 00 Buck .I wouldn't trust anything smaller to stop the BG which is the prime objective !!!

Tahoe · August 22, 2006, 05:51 PM

The exit hole was a lathe an plaster. Much harder but might be a little more brittle. So it might have a tendency to shatter as opposed to drywall that seems to me would be harder to penetrate. Drywall is more dense but softer, imo.

And what does IIRC mean?

Tahoe · August 22, 2006, 06:21 PM

if I recall correctlly

Al Thompson · August 22, 2006, 08:07 PM

Yep.

Dreadnought · August 22, 2006, 08:47 PM

talk about negligent discharge, this came up as a recommended vid from one of the OP's recommended vids.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvoABe8sBzk&NR

James K · August 22, 2006, 08:54 PM

There are two untruths connected with shotguns for home defense. Both have been stated as fact by gunzine writers.

The first is that if you use bird shot [7 1/2, say], you can take out an intruder without any danger to anyone else in the house because the shot won't penetrate a wall.

The second is that by using bird shot you "fill the room with a cloud of shot" that can't possibly miss.

We have seen the first myth "busted." As for the "cloud of shot", a normal shot spread is about 1" for each yard. So at three yards, or 9 feet, the pattern is about 3" in diameter, hardly a spread that "can't miss."

Jim

Ruger4570 · August 22, 2006, 10:04 PM

As any serious shooter can attest to,, there just ain't no wall of shot and you are pretty close on the spreads depending on the choke. I just don't know where all the myths come from, certainly not from anybody that knows anything factual

BreacherUp! · August 23, 2006, 04:26 PM

I have seen what birdshot does to gangbangers. Not pretty.

AAshooter · August 23, 2006, 04:42 PM

Can you give details?

Shot size, distance, outcome?

Point of impact, lethality, stopping power?

BreacherUp! · August 23, 2006, 04:52 PM

two shots. center mass. judging from pattern, w/in 10'
chest, shoulders contained many entry holes. No details on exit wounds,if any.
Guy lived. The a*sholes always live.

jcoiii · August 24, 2006, 07:36 PM

anyone used/seen this?

http://www.safetydisc.com/images/shell.jpeg

expeditionx · August 24, 2006, 10:20 PM

I like the concept of the safety disc, but I wouldn't dare trust it unless I could really test it out and make sure it will really work well.

banditt007 · August 25, 2006, 05:00 AM

two shots, center mass, from about 10' away. guy lived.

I would like to see 2 shots, center mass, #1, 0, 00, 000 buck from about 10' away and see anyone walk away from that!!!

i do beleive that most all the time any hit from a shotgun is going to stop someone, not so much by a physiological standpoint but by the realization by them that holy $#@%#!~!! i just got shot in the chest with a shotgun.

However being that we cant rely on them having any sense, especially since they put themselves in such a situation they got shot....you are going to have to go for rapid blood loss/disruption of the nervous system. Thing i would not rely on small birdshot doing.

saftey disk is definitly interesting though i am doubtful, until i see what it can do.

the video above, w/ the guys shooting in the wedding...all i have to say is

and they should all be in jail!!!!

banditt007 · August 25, 2006, 05:06 AM

on second look of that saftey disk, those things are so light vs surface area the penetration has to be extremely low.

dead-eye-ked · August 26, 2006, 06:29 PM

I don't know what anyone else uses, but when in a situation where you have to shoot, over penetration is not on my mind, I like #4 buck myself. If that won't stop someone center mass (improved cylinder), I will have very little faith left in my 12, and trade it in for a LAW...

August 22, 2006, 04:10 PM	#3
AAshooter Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2001 Posts: 379	I always wonder about "the rest of the story" when people say they are going to use Buckshot because it can go through walls. Consquently they pick some sort of bird shot. __________________ Play hard, shoot often, leave well worn guns!

August 22, 2006, 04:43 PM	#5
Al Thompson Staff Alumnus Join Date: May 2, 1999 Location: South Carolina Posts: 3,611	IIRC, Hatcher's Notebook indicated that the Army considered anything that would punch through 3/4 inch plywood to be "dangerous". Have not tried plywood v. birdshot, but having killed airbreathing critters with birdshot, it will work at (!!!) very close range - like in my bedroom. __________________ http://www.scfirearms.org/

August 22, 2006, 08:47 PM	#10
Dreadnought Senior Member Join Date: August 3, 2006 Location: Willy Posts: 320	talk about negligent discharge, this came up as a recommended vid from one of the OP's recommended vids. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvoABe8sBzk&NR __________________ "NO YELLING ON THE BUS!"

August 23, 2006, 04:26 PM	#13
BreacherUp! Senior Member Join Date: February 21, 2005 Posts: 566	I have seen what birdshot does to gangbangers. Not pretty. __________________ Life's tough. But it's tougher when you're stupid.

August 23, 2006, 04:42 PM	#14
AAshooter Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2001 Posts: 379	Can you give details? Shot size, distance, outcome? Point of impact, lethality, stopping power? __________________ Play hard, shoot often, leave well worn guns!

August 22, 2006, 11:40 AM	#1
expeditionx Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 2004 Posts: 330	Birdshot through an interior wall - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgqbdVFxlkk http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=580932 No, it wasn't me.

August 22, 2006, 12:29 PM	#2
expeditionx Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 2004 Posts: 330	Just like on box o truth http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14.htm roughly 1 inch of wall board penetrated Would reaching someones vitals require more penetration than an equivalent 1 inch in wall board?

August 22, 2006, 05:12 PM	#6
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 6,575	Sorry to straighten you out but shot comes in various sizes not just 'bird ' or 'buck' . Ability to penetrate depends on the size of the shot .So are you talking about #9, #4 #1 Buck, 00 Buck ?? For what I have available I'd grab BB steel goose loads or 00 Buck .I wouldn't trust anything smaller to stop the BG which is the prime objective !!!

August 22, 2006, 05:51 PM	#7
Tahoe Member Join Date: March 20, 2006 Location: Granite Bay, California Posts: 79	The exit hole was a lathe an plaster. Much harder but might be a little more brittle. So it might have a tendency to shatter as opposed to drywall that seems to me would be harder to penetrate. Drywall is more dense but softer, imo. And what does IIRC mean?

August 22, 2006, 06:21 PM	#8
Tahoe Member Join Date: March 20, 2006 Location: Granite Bay, California Posts: 79	if I recall correctlly

August 22, 2006, 08:07 PM	#9
Al Thompson Staff Alumnus Join Date: May 2, 1999 Location: South Carolina Posts: 3,611	Yep. __________________ http://www.scfirearms.org/

August 22, 2006, 08:54 PM	#11
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	There are two untruths connected with shotguns for home defense. Both have been stated as fact by gunzine writers. The first is that if you use bird shot [7 1/2, say], you can take out an intruder without any danger to anyone else in the house because the shot won't penetrate a wall. The second is that by using bird shot you "fill the room with a cloud of shot" that can't possibly miss. We have seen the first myth "busted." As for the "cloud of shot", a normal shot spread is about 1" for each yard. So at three yards, or 9 feet, the pattern is about 3" in diameter, hardly a spread that "can't miss." Jim

August 22, 2006, 10:04 PM	#12
Ruger4570 Senior Member Join Date: April 3, 2005 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 2,136	As any serious shooter can attest to,, there just ain't no wall of shot and you are pretty close on the spreads depending on the choke. I just don't know where all the myths come from, certainly not from anybody that knows anything factual

August 23, 2006, 04:52 PM	#15
BreacherUp! Senior Member Join Date: February 21, 2005 Posts: 566	two shots. center mass. judging from pattern, w/in 10' chest, shoulders contained many entry holes. No details on exit wounds,if any. Guy lived. The a*sholes always live. __________________ Life's tough. But it's tougher when you're stupid.

August 24, 2006, 07:36 PM	#16
jcoiii Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2002 Location: TN Posts: 556	anyone used/seen this? http://www.safetydisc.com/images/shell.jpeg __________________ Truth knows no political correctness. I do not aim with my hand.......

August 24, 2006, 10:20 PM	#17
expeditionx Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 2004 Posts: 330	I like the concept of the safety disc, but I wouldn't dare trust it unless I could really test it out and make sure it will really work well.

August 25, 2006, 05:00 AM	#18
banditt007 Senior Member Join Date: March 19, 2006 Posts: 694	two shots, center mass, from about 10' away. guy lived. I would like to see 2 shots, center mass, #1, 0, 00, 000 buck from about 10' away and see anyone walk away from that!!! i do beleive that most all the time any hit from a shotgun is going to stop someone, not so much by a physiological standpoint but by the realization by them that holy $#@%#!~!! i just got shot in the chest with a shotgun. However being that we cant rely on them having any sense, especially since they put themselves in such a situation they got shot....you are going to have to go for rapid blood loss/disruption of the nervous system. Thing i would not rely on small birdshot doing. saftey disk is definitly interesting though i am doubtful, until i see what it can do. the video above, w/ the guys shooting in the wedding...all i have to say is and they should all be in jail!!!!

August 25, 2006, 05:06 AM	#19
banditt007 Senior Member Join Date: March 19, 2006 Posts: 694	on second look of that saftey disk, those things are so light vs surface area the penetration has to be extremely low.

August 26, 2006, 06:29 PM	#20
dead-eye-ked Member Join Date: August 22, 2006 Posts: 72	Best SD loads?? I don't know what anyone else uses, but when in a situation where you have to shoot, over penetration is not on my mind, I like #4 buck myself. If that won't stop someone center mass (improved cylinder), I will have very little faith left in my 12, and trade it in for a LAW...