300 Win Mag - 1 Bullet

redhawk41 · November 12, 2018, 06:45 PM

What one bullet in the 300 win mag would you consider for all lower 48 Rocky Mountain game pronghorn to grizzly?

Right now to me the 200 gr Accubond seems the best candidate.

Your thoughts?

jmr40 · November 12, 2018, 06:52 PM

One bullet for everything. Sounds like you've got a good plan, I can't think of anything better. Unless they just didn't shoot well in my rifle.

Art Eatman · November 12, 2018, 07:51 PM

R&D by the bullet guys has today's 180-grain bullets equalling the penetration of yesterday's 200- and 220-grain bullets.

So, for a "do it all" bullet I'd go with a 180.

redhawk41 · November 12, 2018, 08:15 PM

180 Swift Scirocco II is one I have on hand and plan on working up a load for.

I'd like to try the A-frames also but they're so dang $$$!

reynolds357 · November 12, 2018, 09:20 PM

180 grain TSX.

reynolds357 · November 12, 2018, 09:22 PM

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180 Swift Scirocco II is one I have on hand and plan on working up a load for.

If you can get them to shoot, you are a better man than me. I have never got them to go under 1 moa. That's in rifles that spit TSX and GMX 1/2 MOA.

redhawk41 · November 12, 2018, 09:46 PM

With the Barnes would you still use 180 or drop down to the 165 / 168 range?

Tipped or not tipped (TTSX vs TSX)?

reynolds357 · November 12, 2018, 09:51 PM

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With the Barnes would you still use 180 or drop down to the 165 / 168 range?

Tipped or not tipped (TTSX vs TSX)?

Since you put great bears in the equation, I would use 180. I have always got better groups from the TSX than the TTSX. I could be wrong, but I think Barnes only offered the blue tip to keep up with the sales fad and market trend.

huntinaz · November 12, 2018, 09:54 PM

Since we are talking about grizzlies, I'd say 200gr Barnes TTSX. 180gr would be good too.

jmr40 · November 12, 2018, 10:13 PM

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R&D by the bullet guys has today's 180-grain bullets equalling the penetration of yesterday's 200- and 220-grain bullets.

So, for a "do it all" bullet I'd go with a 180.

The BC's are enough better on the 200 that it will perform much better at longer distances.

The 180, even 165 gr, copper bullets will probably match the 200 AB in penetration, but they have to impact at 2000-2200 fps in order to expand. The AB's still expand down to 1600-1800 fps The copper bullets drop below that threshold at relative short range compared to where the 200 gr AB falls below 1800 fps.

The 180 gr copper bullets start being borderline fast enough past 500 yards. The 200 AB is still above 1800 fps to almost 800 yards. I still think the 200 AB is the best all around choice.

You buy a 300 WM to shoot long distance. Why handicap yourself with a short range bullet. And don't get me wrong. I like the TTSX bullets, but they are a good bullet for specific uses. Not the best all around bullet.

reynolds357 · November 12, 2018, 10:26 PM

Jmr40, I would disagree with your reasoning. The TSX is a fine long range bullet. It's lack of expansion at low velocity insures deep penetration even at lower velocity.

Brian Pfleuger · November 13, 2018, 12:46 AM

And "beyond 500 yards" is a concern for a tiny minority of hunters... all of whom, if competent enough to make the shot, will be well practiced and thoroughly knowledgeable enough about their gear that our input would be unnecessary anyway.

huntinaz · November 13, 2018, 12:51 AM

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The 180 gr copper bullets start being borderline fast enough past 500 yards. The 200 AB is still above 1800 fps to almost 800 yards. I still think the 200 AB is the best all around choice.

It probably is the most versatile option, you're right. It's a great choice, for sure. It most certainly will do it.

If we are stipulating 800 yards, it's the winner. Should probably be looking at the 210 LRAB then too. And the 300 RUM.

Looks like the Barnes offering in 200gr is either TSX or LRX, not TTSX. The BC on the LRX is .546 vs 200gr Accubond is .588. The 200gr LRX loaded appropriately is going to be good to at least 500 yards. I still like the 200gr LRX (changing my answer) inside 500 yards which is where most people are hunting. For moose and griz, I'll take the Barnes and get closer if I have to.

Assuming where most people hunt, which is inside 350 yards, the Accubond takes the backseat to any 200gr Barnes bullet in my opinion (when it comes to Moose and Griz and quartering bull elk). Both bullets would do the trick though.

No way would I step down to 165gr in monolithic or 180gr in accubond, not because it wouldn't work, but because the cartridge is capable of flinging the heavies and the extra weight and BC are worth the recoil. And you're gonna put a brake on it anyway, if you're gonna shoot it enough to be confident at 800 yards.

pricedo · November 13, 2018, 03:58 AM

180 grain Nosler Accubond from deer to moose.
Might go to the 200 grain if I found myself in big yogi country.
Either factory ammo or hand loads.
The Nosler Trophy grade factory ammo is good and the only source of Nosler cases I know about.

redhawk41 · November 13, 2018, 09:03 AM

Not a long range hunter so no considerations there, I prefer to work within the point-blank range of the rifle and ammunition...

huntinaz · November 13, 2018, 10:17 AM

200gr Barnes then, since moose and griz are in the picture.

The Accubond is a great bullet as well.

Tallest · November 13, 2018, 10:46 AM

I would feel well prepared and secure with a 180 grain Partition.

FrankenMauser · November 13, 2018, 11:02 AM

.300 WM, pronghorn to brown bear, potential long range...?

My initial instinct is to go with a 180 gr Partition. A 200 would be fine, too. I know Partitions. I like Partitions.
But I'd probably try some 178 or 200 gr ELD-Xs before committing. They look promising.

The 180 gr weight class is more than enough for anything on this continent. The only reason I would step up to the 200 gr weight class would be if they shot better from the rifle(s) in question.

IdaD · November 13, 2018, 11:58 AM

I've stuck with 180 grain partitions in my 300 Weatherby which is similar. Based on some of the posts in this thread maybe I should experiment with 200 grain options more, but I admit I don't like experimenting too much with this caliber from an expense standpoint.

redhawk41 · November 14, 2018, 11:45 AM

Thoughts on the offerings from Woodleigh and Noth Fork?

FrankenMauser · November 14, 2018, 01:22 PM

Good bullets. If you want to try some, go for it. But, they're unnecessary in my opinion. Tougher than necessary, and notably more expensive that most other options that are perfectly adequate.

For other import options, I'd also be willing to use a Norma Oryx or Vulcan. I haven't used them in .300 WM, but they did very well for me in .270 Win and .30-06. I think I even already have a box of .308" 180 gr Oryx around here somewhere...

Paul B. · November 14, 2018, 05:34 PM

.300 Win. mag., 200 gr. Speer Hot Core almost 2900 FPS, one dead elk at 530 yards laser measured. Groups average .375 to .50" at 100 yards. Rifle's Winchester M70 and three Ruger #1's two "S"models and a "B" model. I can substitute the 200 gr. Nosler Partition with very little change in POI and groups .80 to one inch with the PT. Works for me.
Paul B.

redhawk41 · November 15, 2018, 03:25 PM

Any bullets to avoid for this (admittedly broad) application?

reynolds357 · November 15, 2018, 07:16 PM

Obviously avoid match bullets, tmj, monolithic solid.

std7mag · November 16, 2018, 05:23 AM

I'm gonna split the difference, and suggest a bullet that performs well for me in the 7mm Rem Mag.
Nosler Accubond Long Range. In your case 190gr.
Won't go to little pieces at close range, and 0.301 G7 will help you out for longer shots.
Also they expand down to 1,300 fps ( as opposed to 1,800 fps with most other bullets), giving you a longer "mechanical" range.

Exvept for the big bruin part, i would have suggested a Berger bullet.

November 12, 2018, 06:52 PM	#2
jmr40 Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2008 Location: Georgia Posts: 10,805	One bullet for everything. Sounds like you've got a good plan, I can't think of anything better. Unless they just didn't shoot well in my rifle. __________________ "If you're still doing things the same way you were doing them 10 years ago, you're doing it wrong" Winston Churchill

November 12, 2018, 08:15 PM	#4
redhawk41 Senior Member Join Date: February 1, 2005 Location: Red Desert Posts: 819	180 Swift Scirocco II is one I have on hand and plan on working up a load for. I'd like to try the A-frames also but they're so dang $$$! __________________ {empty thought cloud} Last edited by redhawk41; November 13, 2018 at 09:22 AM. Reason: their there they're

November 12, 2018, 09:46 PM	#7
redhawk41 Senior Member Join Date: February 1, 2005 Location: Red Desert Posts: 819	With the Barnes would you still use 180 or drop down to the 165 / 168 range? Tipped or not tipped (TTSX vs TSX)? __________________ {empty thought cloud}

November 12, 2018, 09:54 PM	#9
huntinaz Senior Member Join Date: September 21, 2010 Location: az Posts: 1,332	Since we are talking about grizzlies, I'd say 200gr Barnes TTSX. 180gr would be good too. __________________ "When there’s lead in the air, there’s hope in the heart”- Hunter’s Proverb "Feed me, or feed me to something. I just want to be part of the food chain." -Al Bundy

November 13, 2018, 12:46 AM	#12
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Austin, CO Posts: 19,578	And "beyond 500 yards" is a concern for a tiny minority of hunters... all of whom, if competent enough to make the shot, will be well practiced and thoroughly knowledgeable enough about their gear that our input would be unnecessary anyway. __________________ Nobody plans to screw up their lives... ...they just don't plan not to. -Andy Stanley

November 12, 2018, 06:45 PM	#1
redhawk41 Senior Member Join Date: February 1, 2005 Location: Red Desert Posts: 819	300 Win Mag - 1 Bullet What one bullet in the 300 win mag would you consider for all lower 48 Rocky Mountain game pronghorn to grizzly? Right now to me the 200 gr Accubond seems the best candidate. Your thoughts? __________________ {empty thought cloud}

November 12, 2018, 07:51 PM	#3
Art Eatman Staff in Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX; Thomasville, GA Posts: 24,798	R&D by the bullet guys has today's 180-grain bullets equalling the penetration of yesterday's 200- and 220-grain bullets. So, for a "do it all" bullet I'd go with a 180.

November 12, 2018, 09:20 PM	#5
reynolds357 Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 2012 Posts: 6,164	180 grain TSX.

November 12, 2018, 10:26 PM	#11
reynolds357 Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 2012 Posts: 6,164	Jmr40, I would disagree with your reasoning. The TSX is a fine long range bullet. It's lack of expansion at low velocity insures deep penetration even at lower velocity.

November 13, 2018, 03:58 AM	#14
pricedo Member Join Date: September 3, 2008 Location: NRA LIFE MEMBER Posts: 55	180 grain Nosler Accubond from deer to moose. Might go to the 200 grain if I found myself in big yogi country. Either factory ammo or hand loads. The Nosler Trophy grade factory ammo is good and the only source of Nosler cases I know about.

November 13, 2018, 09:03 AM	#15
redhawk41 Senior Member Join Date: February 1, 2005 Location: Red Desert Posts: 819	Not a long range hunter so no considerations there, I prefer to work within the point-blank range of the rifle and ammunition... __________________ {empty thought cloud} Last edited by redhawk41; November 13, 2018 at 09:25 AM. Reason: still can't spell

November 13, 2018, 10:17 AM	#16
huntinaz Senior Member Join Date: September 21, 2010 Location: az Posts: 1,332	200gr Barnes then, since moose and griz are in the picture. The Accubond is a great bullet as well. __________________ "When there’s lead in the air, there’s hope in the heart”- Hunter’s Proverb "Feed me, or feed me to something. I just want to be part of the food chain." -Al Bundy

November 13, 2018, 10:46 AM	#17
Tallest Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2016 Location: West of the Atlantic Posts: 418	I would feel well prepared and secure with a 180 grain Partition. __________________ Matthew "All men are ignorant. The topics of our ignorance may vary, but the nature of the world is that no man may know everything." ~ R Jordan

November 13, 2018, 11:02 AM	#18
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,424	.300 WM, pronghorn to brown bear, potential long range...? My initial instinct is to go with a 180 gr Partition. A 200 would be fine, too. I know Partitions. I like Partitions. But I'd probably try some 178 or 200 gr ELD-Xs before committing. They look promising. The 180 gr weight class is more than enough for anything on this continent. The only reason I would step up to the 200 gr weight class would be if they shot better from the rifle(s) in question. __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

November 13, 2018, 11:58 AM	#19
IdaD Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2018 Location: Idaho Posts: 107	I've stuck with 180 grain partitions in my 300 Weatherby which is similar. Based on some of the posts in this thread maybe I should experiment with 200 grain options more, but I admit I don't like experimenting too much with this caliber from an expense standpoint.

November 14, 2018, 11:45 AM	#20
redhawk41 Senior Member Join Date: February 1, 2005 Location: Red Desert Posts: 819	Thoughts on the offerings from Woodleigh and Noth Fork? __________________ {empty thought cloud}

November 14, 2018, 01:22 PM	#21
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,424	Good bullets. If you want to try some, go for it. But, they're unnecessary in my opinion. Tougher than necessary, and notably more expensive that most other options that are perfectly adequate. For other import options, I'd also be willing to use a Norma Oryx or Vulcan. I haven't used them in .300 WM, but they did very well for me in .270 Win and .30-06. I think I even already have a box of .308" 180 gr Oryx around here somewhere... __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

November 14, 2018, 05:34 PM	#22
Paul B. Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 1999 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 3,801	.300 Win. mag., 200 gr. Speer Hot Core almost 2900 FPS, one dead elk at 530 yards laser measured. Groups average .375 to .50" at 100 yards. Rifle's Winchester M70 and three Ruger #1's two "S"models and a "B" model. I can substitute the 200 gr. Nosler Partition with very little change in POI and groups .80 to one inch with the PT. Works for me. Paul B. __________________ COMPROMISE IS NOT AN OPTION!

November 15, 2018, 03:25 PM	#23
redhawk41 Senior Member Join Date: February 1, 2005 Location: Red Desert Posts: 819	Any bullets to avoid for this (admittedly broad) application? __________________ {empty thought cloud}

November 15, 2018, 07:16 PM	#24
reynolds357 Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 2012 Posts: 6,164	Obviously avoid match bullets, tmj, monolithic solid.

November 16, 2018, 05:23 AM	#25
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	I'm gonna split the difference, and suggest a bullet that performs well for me in the 7mm Rem Mag. Nosler Accubond Long Range. In your case 190gr. Won't go to little pieces at close range, and 0.301 G7 will help you out for longer shots. Also they expand down to 1,300 fps ( as opposed to 1,800 fps with most other bullets), giving you a longer "mechanical" range. Exvept for the big bruin part, i would have suggested a Berger bullet. __________________ When our own government declares itself as "tyrannical", where does that leave us??!! "Januarary 6th insurrection". Funny, I didn't see a single piece of rope...

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