October 17, 2019, 08:01 PM | #1 |
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Guide me through the steps of ordering the parts for a suppressor and at what point the application for license has to be submitted?
Currently I can buy everything I need for a new suppressor on line for less than $50 and put it together for free. I don't want order everything and then run afoul of ATF issues though.
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Possession of suppressor parts without an approved form 1 is a no-no
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October 17, 2019, 08:32 PM | #3 |
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Possession of all parts or possession of some parts? If I don't possess some parts how do I file a form 1?
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A single baffle is enough to be in violation.
Since its a form 1 you are building it. Therefore, you pick the S/N and dictate the length and caliber. You put that on the form 1 and submit it. You may not possess any of the parts or begin making parts until the form comes back approved. Its stupid a d pointless, but that is the way the regs say it must happen. |
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If the length ends up being different when built, you send an "update" letter to the ATF to let them know what the new "permanent" configuration is. No approval or response is required from the ATF. Serial number and caliber cannot be changed or "updated". Quote:
--- The above is not legal advice. It's my understanding and opinion of the subject. If you truly need an expert opinion, contact a qualified attorney.
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"...It's stupid and pointless..." Most regulations that are made into laws by unelected civil servants are stupid and pointless.
This might help. These guys do it for a living. https://www.silencershop.com/silencer-questions This will help too. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...lencer-part-1/
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That said, you do not want to play semantics games with the ATF. Get the specs from whoever you are buying the kit from and make up a basic drawing with all the dimensions on it. Sometimes the vendor already has a drawing with the dimensions on it. Submit those dimensions with your form 1. Only after you have your approved form 1 in hand, do you purchase any parts. Then immediately send the tube out for engraving. (remember it is still not an NFA item, but you now have approval to make it one) Only after your properly serial numbered and engraved tube is in hand do you then drill or machine your baffles and end caps to create your NFA item. We can argue all day whether you need to do it in that order or not, but that is the safest way.
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I have always bought them complete but I am looking at making them myself and saving a lot of money.
I am definitely NOT interested in playing chicken with the ATF.
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Anyone remember 'Gun Kid'? He was on all the sites for years till he started making his own suppressors. He is now in a Federal 'Hotel'
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One can get an ATF Form 1 approved then legally build their own NFA item. Thousands of people do it every year.
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Gunkid has multiple felony convictions. He is out, not sure how or why. His real name is John Melvin Davis and he was released from prison in 2012. He shows up occasionally on other boards singing the praises of the SBR suppressed AR15 and Ceiner conversion kits. Haven't seen him on board in a couple of years but he must be pushing 70 if he is still alive at all.
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