jhv41 P. Mod. 37

Gebirg · March 5, 2015, 12:56 PM

Just aquired this rig - i hope this is ok?

What do you think?

Thanks

eastbank · March 5, 2015, 02:09 PM

cats meow, it look new. eastbank.

James K · March 5, 2015, 05:01 PM

Matching magazines are uncommon, so that is a nice find. The gun has been polished and re-blued, so a lot of the collector value has been lost, but those guns are still very interesting. They were originally adopted by the Hungarian army in 9mm Short (.380 ACP). Hungary was an ally of Germany, so the Germans contracted with the company to produce them for the Wehrmacht in 7.65 Browning (.32 ACP) since .380 was not in the German police/military supply system. They also had the manual safety put on.

Jim

Gebirg · March 6, 2015, 12:14 AM

Jim,
How can you say that it has been reblued, i would really like to know?

As far as i know, it has not!

Theese pistols was delivered from Femaru to Luftwaffe in high polish finish, this one has not been fired or used since 1945...

James K · March 6, 2015, 09:38 PM

Sorry if you had assumed or been told otherwise, but that gun is far too highly polished and too "black" to be original. I have seen several hundred of those pistols (not at the same time!) and there is no doubt that one has been reblued using caustic salts bluing.

If you Google "Femaru 37M" and look at the images, you will see a few that have been reblued or otherwise refinished, but most of the guns on there have the original grayish blue finish.

Jim

Gebirg · March 7, 2015, 01:50 AM

Jim,
I am sorry, but your answer is not good enough!
I just told you - it has NOT been used or messed with after 1945 - all original!

eastbank · March 7, 2015, 06:35 AM

i have a cz 27 first issue with german marks waA76 on the gun and holster that has a blue finist,not parked and have been told the same thing. and i am the second owner,the first brought it home from ww-2 and never fired it as he didn,t know the 7.65 is the same as the .32acp and kept in a cedar chest. eastbank.

mapsjanhere · March 7, 2015, 08:31 AM

Lets just call it an unusually high grade finish for this type weapon. It might be as simple as the original owner having it polished because he didn't want to have to run around with an ugly hunk of wartime gun. Luftwaffe officers were as prone to showmanship as the next guy. But also, WWII was 70 years ago, so the number of people who had full control of any item from that time, and still have the mental capacity to be sure nothing was done to it is becoming exceedingly rare.

trigger643 · March 7, 2015, 11:21 AM

The pictures aren't the best, but it's a 1941 date -- fairly early and will be a better finish than the later guns, and it's hard to tell if it's been reblued or not. At first blush the finish looks original and Nice looking rig.

Gebirg · March 7, 2015, 11:26 AM

Thank you trigger - the first wartime production guns in high polish finish is great quality finish workmansship!!
Look at the new pics - AND FOR THE LAST TIME - THIS GUN HAS NOT BEEN REBLUED OR REFINISHED OR MESSED WITH IN ANY WAY!!!!!

Jim - you must mean what you want, and this is my last respond!

James K · March 7, 2015, 06:25 PM

Believe what you want. Faith is wonderful.

Jim

Gebirg · March 10, 2015, 03:08 PM

Bæ bæ lille lam har du noe ull...

Tidewater_Kid · March 10, 2015, 08:15 PM

Gebirg,

Maybe you don't want to except someone else's opinion, but post on an internet forum and that is what you get. What proof do you offer that the pistol is all original? Has it been in your possession since it was manufactured? That's the only way you can say. I still doubt your evidence based on what my eyes tell me. No one can tell you anything other than it's a pretty pistol based on three now altered pictures you have shown us. Do you have capture papers stating that it's an all original pistol? Point is, opinions are just that, opinions. Sorry you don't agree with them.

TK

mapsjanhere · March 11, 2015, 09:45 AM

The good part is, the new pics prove Jim's point.

March 6, 2015, 12:14 AM	#4
Gebirg Member Join Date: January 26, 2013 Posts: 40	Jim, How can you say that it has been reblued, i would really like to know? As far as i know, it has not! Theese pistols was delivered from Femaru to Luftwaffe in high polish finish, this one has not been fired or used since 1945... Last edited by Gebirg; March 6, 2015 at 02:00 AM.

March 7, 2015, 01:50 AM	#6
Gebirg Member Join Date: January 26, 2013 Posts: 40	Jim, I am sorry, but your answer is not good enough! I just told you - it has NOT been used or messed with after 1945 - all original! Last edited by Gebirg; March 7, 2015 at 01:57 AM.

March 7, 2015, 08:31 AM	#8
mapsjanhere Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,832	Lets just call it an unusually high grade finish for this type weapon. It might be as simple as the original owner having it polished because he didn't want to have to run around with an ugly hunk of wartime gun. Luftwaffe officers were as prone to showmanship as the next guy. But also, WWII was 70 years ago, so the number of people who had full control of any item from that time, and still have the mental capacity to be sure nothing was done to it is becoming exceedingly rare. __________________ I used to love being able to hit hard at 1000 yards. As I get older I find hitting a mini ram at 200 yards with the 22 oddly more satisfying.

March 7, 2015, 11:26 AM	#10
Gebirg Member Join Date: January 26, 2013 Posts: 40	Thank you trigger - the first wartime production guns in high polish finish is great quality finish workmansship!! Look at the new pics - AND FOR THE LAST TIME - THIS GUN HAS NOT BEEN REBLUED OR REFINISHED OR MESSED WITH IN ANY WAY!!!!! Jim - you must mean what you want, and this is my last respond! Last edited by Gebirg; March 7, 2015 at 12:44 PM.

March 10, 2015, 03:08 PM	#12
Gebirg Member Join Date: January 26, 2013 Posts: 40	Bæ bæ lille lam har du noe ull... Last edited by Gebirg; March 11, 2015 at 02:09 PM.

March 5, 2015, 02:09 PM	#2
eastbank Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 2008 Location: pa. Posts: 2,450	cats meow, it look new. eastbank.

March 5, 2015, 05:01 PM	#3
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Matching magazines are uncommon, so that is a nice find. The gun has been polished and re-blued, so a lot of the collector value has been lost, but those guns are still very interesting. They were originally adopted by the Hungarian army in 9mm Short (.380 ACP). Hungary was an ally of Germany, so the Germans contracted with the company to produce them for the Wehrmacht in 7.65 Browning (.32 ACP) since .380 was not in the German police/military supply system. They also had the manual safety put on. Jim

March 6, 2015, 09:38 PM	#5
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Sorry if you had assumed or been told otherwise, but that gun is far too highly polished and too "black" to be original. I have seen several hundred of those pistols (not at the same time!) and there is no doubt that one has been reblued using caustic salts bluing. If you Google "Femaru 37M" and look at the images, you will see a few that have been reblued or otherwise refinished, but most of the guns on there have the original grayish blue finish. Jim

March 7, 2015, 06:35 AM	#7
eastbank Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 2008 Location: pa. Posts: 2,450	i have a cz 27 first issue with german marks waA76 on the gun and holster that has a blue finist,not parked and have been told the same thing. and i am the second owner,the first brought it home from ww-2 and never fired it as he didn,t know the 7.65 is the same as the .32acp and kept in a cedar chest. eastbank.

March 7, 2015, 11:21 AM	#9
trigger643 Senior Member Join Date: April 22, 2011 Posts: 322	The pictures aren't the best, but it's a 1941 date -- fairly early and will be a better finish than the later guns, and it's hard to tell if it's been reblued or not. At first blush the finish looks original and Nice looking rig.

March 7, 2015, 06:25 PM	#11
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Believe what you want. Faith is wonderful. Jim

March 10, 2015, 08:15 PM	#13
Tidewater_Kid Senior Member Join Date: July 3, 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 925	Gebirg, Maybe you don't want to except someone else's opinion, but post on an internet forum and that is what you get. What proof do you offer that the pistol is all original? Has it been in your possession since it was manufactured? That's the only way you can say. I still doubt your evidence based on what my eyes tell me. No one can tell you anything other than it's a pretty pistol based on three now altered pictures you have shown us. Do you have capture papers stating that it's an all original pistol? Point is, opinions are just that, opinions. Sorry you don't agree with them. TK

March 11, 2015, 09:45 AM	#14
mapsjanhere Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,832	The good part is, the new pics prove Jim's point. __________________ I used to love being able to hit hard at 1000 yards. As I get older I find hitting a mini ram at 200 yards with the 22 oddly more satisfying.